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[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday," ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today" ]

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[ "So, you club it?", ">\n\nIt warm and furry. \nYou\nCuddle\nIt." ]

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[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government..." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it.", ">\n\nThis lady’s argument is literally “okay so I joined ISIS it’s over.”" ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it.", ">\n\nThis lady’s argument is literally “okay so I joined ISIS it’s over.”", ">\n\nI’ve no sympathy for the filthy little B**** but since IS was never a state then she can’t have legally renounced her U.K. citizenship (besides she was underage and couldn’t be responsible at the time) and it is illegal under international law to leave a person stateless. In other words, the disgusting POS is a British problem. Take her back and lock her up, you should have done it years ago." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it.", ">\n\nThis lady’s argument is literally “okay so I joined ISIS it’s over.”", ">\n\nI’ve no sympathy for the filthy little B**** but since IS was never a state then she can’t have legally renounced her U.K. citizenship (besides she was underage and couldn’t be responsible at the time) and it is illegal under international law to leave a person stateless. In other words, the disgusting POS is a British problem. Take her back and lock her up, you should have done it years ago.", ">\n\nStop trying to portray her as a victim. She isn't one.\nStop wasting funds and time interviewing her while you're at it as well.\nShe left to join a well known terrorist organization at the time, every 15 year old at the time she left, knew damn well what ISIS were and what they were doing. She should have no sympathy whatsoever." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it.", ">\n\nThis lady’s argument is literally “okay so I joined ISIS it’s over.”", ">\n\nI’ve no sympathy for the filthy little B**** but since IS was never a state then she can’t have legally renounced her U.K. citizenship (besides she was underage and couldn’t be responsible at the time) and it is illegal under international law to leave a person stateless. In other words, the disgusting POS is a British problem. Take her back and lock her up, you should have done it years ago.", ">\n\nStop trying to portray her as a victim. She isn't one.\nStop wasting funds and time interviewing her while you're at it as well.\nShe left to join a well known terrorist organization at the time, every 15 year old at the time she left, knew damn well what ISIS were and what they were doing. She should have no sympathy whatsoever.", ">\n\nYou’re still not welcome so go to Bangladesh your extended family will look after you." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it.", ">\n\nThis lady’s argument is literally “okay so I joined ISIS it’s over.”", ">\n\nI’ve no sympathy for the filthy little B**** but since IS was never a state then she can’t have legally renounced her U.K. citizenship (besides she was underage and couldn’t be responsible at the time) and it is illegal under international law to leave a person stateless. In other words, the disgusting POS is a British problem. Take her back and lock her up, you should have done it years ago.", ">\n\nStop trying to portray her as a victim. She isn't one.\nStop wasting funds and time interviewing her while you're at it as well.\nShe left to join a well known terrorist organization at the time, every 15 year old at the time she left, knew damn well what ISIS were and what they were doing. She should have no sympathy whatsoever.", ">\n\nYou’re still not welcome so go to Bangladesh your extended family will look after you.", ">\n\nApparently the Bangledeshi government has indicated that they would hang her." ]

[ "Nike exec kicking the air right now seeing this thumbnail.", ">\n\nIts almost as bad as the endorsement the Taliban give to Toyota", ">\n\nAnd yet the good folks at browning share none of that bad pr.", ">\n\nWhy would they?", ">\n\nI assume he's referring to the use of browning machine guns by terrorist groups.", ">\n\nMaybe, but since browning does not make those, it’s a bad comparison.", ">\n\nbrowning doesn't produce the .50 BMG? I assumed the fact bmg stands for browning machine gun meant that it was. I imagine it's contributing to other people's confusion as well.", ">\n\nYea. They were invented by John browning, but the modern Browning Arms Company only exists for bolt and lever action rifles.", ">\n\nMakes sense, thanks for the explanation/correction", ">\n\nHappy to help.", ">\n\nShe said the Manchester bombing that children died in was justified. She has repeatedly shown no remorse for her part in brutal slaughter. She acted like one of her babies was a prop rather than a living thing. She repeatedly said she didn't regret joining ISIS and only stopped coming into interviews in religious clothes when PR feedback shown it didn't help.\nIt is a tragedy that she was convinced as a child to give up safety to travel across the world to join a vile religious terrorist group but as an adult she still approves of these things most teenagers understand to be wrong. She is a lost cause and the time to help her has passed. She's a risk, her lack of empathy or remorse really suggests she may radicalise others as she doesn't joining but that ISIS lost.\nThe lessons to learn here are how to stop others doing what she did. The people who she abused should be those who give her justice now", ">\n\nShe still comes across as clueless as to why people are wary of her. She willingly joined the organization that stuck people in cages and set them alight. Oh woe is me, I don't know why people in the UK are being so mean to me. All I did was run away and join Daesh, which is no different from a parking ticket or littering, right?", ">\n\nTo me it doesn't come across as clueless but rather deliberately disingenuous. It screams facade which would suggest she's far more dangerous than she claims. She is deliberately trying to distance herself without renouncing anything and playing dress up to appear normal rather than a dangerous extremist who fondly talked of loving living in ISIS zones with their brutality. She speaks as if she wants enough deniability to manipulate sympathy without putting a target on her head for those she sides with. \nIt honestly seems like someone is feeding her PR feedback as she tweaks her performance each time. Her in full extremist garb didn't go down well with the public so she has been dressed in someone else's clothes. Whether it was journalists or a team she is working with we won't know. She wants to return and this behaviour, alongside as an adult saying the Manchester Arena bombing was justifed despite children dying, seems strongly like she may wish to come back for evil intentions.\nWhile normally it is safe to explain things with stupidity rather than malice, this is a woman who has such strong bloodlust she put herself in danger then fondly talks about it without remorse.", ">\n\nagree. \n\nBut what was there to obsess over, we went to ISIS that was it, it was over, it was over and done with, what more is there to say?\n\nSo much more to say. But she’s putting on this airhead act like “what i joined isis so what?” She knows what she did and clearly does not regret it.", ">\n\nYou have to be pretty fucking cold to be unable to fake regret during an interview about how you enabled war crimes and potentially engaged in war crimes along with crimes against humanity.\nIt frustrates me that people are falling for it and while it gives me conflicting thoughts on certain aspects such as removing citizenship, I cannot empathise or sympathise with such evil.", ">\n\nSo she admits she joined a terror group that wanted to take over \"the world\" and now that the group failed, she says, oh never mind, I want to go home. I seem to think that treason is the term and some innocent people who were wrongly accused of treason were cleared only decades later and she seems to believe she is \"special\" and given a free pass back to UK. NOPE", ">\n\nFun fact, Brits that went to join the Nazis during WW2 were hanged when they came back.", ">\n\nThat is a fun fact.", ">\n\nIt's also mostly wrong. John Amery, who was probably the most noteworthy, was hanged. But most of the British who went to join and fight for the nazis were not", ">\n\nParty pooper.", ">\n\nIt amazes me that anyone would want to join ISIS, let alone a woman.\nShe deserves zero sympathy.", ">\n\nShe's a hybristophile for sure.", ">\n\nBefore googling, thought that meant someone attracted to hybrids. You learn something new everyday", ">\n\n\n\"I'm not this person that they think I am\"\n\nOh, so you're not the person that joined a terrorist state and betrayed your country? \nFuck off already. So much bullshit in this article making out shes so innocent like she accidentally slipped and ended up in Syria joining ISIS.", ">\n\nIf ISIS wasn't thrashed, she would still be there right now without a second thought of coming back to the UK.", ">\n\n\"I think most people will say that, frankly, we owe her nothing. She got herself into this mess and frankly it's down to her to work out how she's going to get out of it,\" he said.\"\nCouldn't have said it better myself. She was grown enough to figure out how to make this bed for herself, knowing who she be lying down with. She can be grown enough to deal with the fallout and not expect people to just get over it and not talk it.\nTeenager or not, if she were a man, she wouldn't be getting so much of a second look at all under these circumstances; if any.", ">\n\nHonestly fuck her.\nAt no point when I was her age encouraged to join a foreign terror organisation.", ">\n\nHow many teenagers idolatrize communism and unironically would commit sabotage if asked by a communist government...", ">\n\nAs a former American teenage communist enthusiast who still attends Young Communist meetings in my late 20s.... none? I never knew anyone who was interested in actual sabotage or direct action, we wanted to start electing socialist candidates.\nBeing interested in socialism doesn't mean someone worships obviously inhumane regimes or wants to be a terrorist lol, you're watching too much scary conservative media.", ">\n\nSocialist or communist?\nI havent known any communist that even got to be candidate in USA", ">\n\nSo 1 as a minor councilman xd?", ">\n\nYou're 0 for 3 here.", ">\n\nWhat took her so long?", ">\n\nHer 'coming of age' despite being an A* student at the time & making the conscious decision to be smuggled to Syria via Turkey", ">\n\nHow tf can an A* student decide to join an organization that doesn’t believe she even has a right to an education.", ">\n\nBecause teenagers are easy to manipulate. She was easier than most. Maybe even because she was a Grade A student.\nBeing good at math and having healthy beliefs are in no way the same thing.", ">\n\nFormer teenage girl here. Whenever I hear her story, she mentions \"marrying ISIS fighters\" or going there to be a housewife. She just strikes me as being dumb and horny honestly. She couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.", ">\n\n\nShe couldn't have sex where she lived in the UK because her parents would find out and it would destroy her reputation and they would shame her for becoming a westernized slut.\n\nMuch much better to join a terror organisation to bang a guy that will have been assigned to her. Much better for her reputation.", ">\n\nBut that was actually sort of \"true\" in her case. She was raised a conservative Muslim and was thus easy to groom by ISIS. She couldn't get married at 15 in the UK but she also couldn't have sex or even kiss a boy. In her mind, getting married to a \"good Muslim man\" after running away to join ISIS was holy.\nIt's insane but religious beliefs are often insane.", ">\n\nIn the US and UK we take for granted the lifestyles we lead until they are taken away. This young woman is disgusting. Her comment about \"Not being bothered by severed heads in baskets\" is particularly disturbing. I hope she never sets foot in the west again.", ">\n\nI still say that even on our worst days, we're a damn sight better than many other places around the world. We can tell our politicians in both the US and UK to fuck off right to their faces and not be facing the death penalty.", ">\n\nSo she should” accept “ that she lost her citizenship.\nHonestly enough with the sympathy for these people who literally condoned and facilitated the literally slavery of underaged girls!", ">\n\nShe just had a deep urge to murder and torture. Whats the problem?", ">\n\n“Ayo my terrorist group I joined failed can I come back and live with you guys?” Lmao nah", ">\n\nActions have consequences and whilst I don't doubt the theist manipulation of ISIS against any who they think they can recruit, you don't get to just wipe it away and go \"Oopsie, do over!\".\n \nIt's telling that she's trying to shift blame; in the planning a list is found, at her home (I think?) and she blames one of the dead gils and says \"One of us was stupid..\" Not, \"Yeah, we, as a group planned it after being radicalised, we fucked up on that one thing!\" but \"Yeah, my mate was fucking dumb.\" Sometimes she does sound apologetic and genuine, others definitely not quite as much....\n \nShe lost friends, 3 children and is now stuck in PoW camp. But all of that is of her own making, her own decisions, her actions. She was young, yes, but this wasn't accidentally kicking a football into a window and smashing it kind of \"Whoops!\". This took planning, coordination, drive ... if she comes back, should the legal back-and-forth go in her favour, she'd be on a lifetime of monitoring, hidden with a new identity and her only real contacts would be her handlers, local authorities and that's about it. The best she can hope for is a repressive lifetime of being watched 24/7, every movement tracked and detailed, every communication she has (Even if she were allowed access to devices to facilitate such) being poured over... even IF she is genuine and is de-radicalised, there's no way of knowing for sure and she'll always be a security risk.", ">\n\n\nshe'd be on a lifetime of monitoring\n\nIF by some chance she was allowed back into the UK, I doubt she would be allowed out on the streets. She would be facing the rest of her life in jail.", ">\n\nDidn’t the UK revoke her citizenship? Bangladesh doesn’t claim her either. She is essentially stateless, so no one has any obligation to take her in.", ">\n\nShe's tried appealing to the UK for her citizenship to be restored, but the way I see it, if you go join a terrorist group, you've made up their mind for them.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nShamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for the so-called Islamic State - and said she understands the public anger towards her.\nFormer children's minister Tim Loughton told the BBC it was still not clear why Ms Begum joined IS as a teenager and \"what forces brainwashed her\", but he said public sympathy for her when she first went missing had increasingly been replaced by anger.\nThat's why it's so hard the way my life has turned out being all over the media because I'm not a person that likes a lot of attention on me,\" she told the BBC. The Shamima Begum Story podcast is available on BBC Sounds and a feature length documentary will be on BBC iPlayer from early February.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Begum^#1 think^#2 join^#3 Syria^#4 BBC^#5", ">\n\nFuck that terrorist.", ">\n\nLiterally or figuratively?", ">\n\nIf she gets rejected... What nationality will she hold? None?", ">\n\nHer parents were Bangladeshi also so she has that, but Bangladesh don't want her. She's just stuck in a POW camp currently iirc", ">\n\nDidn't they also say they'd execute her if she gained citizenship?", ">\n\nYes. Sorta. Some law from like 1950 gives her Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. However, the Bangladeshi government has formally said she will be executed if she comes on Bangladeshi soil in accordance with their zero tolerance policy on Terrorism", ">\n\nShe literally admits to doing her own planning to go to Syria. How is there even anything to discuss? When you go join a group that wants to kill innocent people all over the world, this the kinda shit that happens. She says in this piece also that she feels people are mad at ISIS and not her. No chick, we hate you too.", ">\n\nYeah sure, I joined the Nazis. But it seems like you’re unfairly taking out your hatred of the Nazis on me! Clearly I’m the victim here.", ">\n\nShe can stay right where she is", ">\n\nEnough. Stop bloody well talking to her. She is a terrorist and can rot.\nBBC, we pay for you. Stop wasting our money.", ">\n\nNot sure what the agenda is here. There seems to be a real push to make her out to be a victim and to relate her to us. Western clothes, etc.\nWhat next: \"I Was Only Trying To Help People\" - The Harold Shipman Story", ">\n\nDid she ever admit she was in the wrong and genuinely made steps to disassociate herself from ISIS?", ">\n\nNope. She even said she had no problem seeing severed heads in baskets", ">\n\nSounds like zero remorse. I don’t blame the UK for wanting her out.", ">\n\nHer third kid finally died. Saw an interview where the kid was still alive. Oh well, burn in hell lady.", ">\n\nBring her back and upon landing on UK soil, hang her. Be done with it.", ">\n\nAs a person who seeks an end as a childfree GenX recluse; Theres is a line in the sand regarding \"are you a participating city-dweller or just counted out loud as one of us,\" which this lady, that dipshit from Alabama tryin to get back in, and countless others crossed.\nChoke on the fucking sands you embraced as home while pining for the civilization you turned your back on.", ">\n\nI guess she was inspired by Nike to...just do it.", ">\n\nThis lady’s argument is literally “okay so I joined ISIS it’s over.”", ">\n\nI’ve no sympathy for the filthy little B**** but since IS was never a state then she can’t have legally renounced her U.K. citizenship (besides she was underage and couldn’t be responsible at the time) and it is illegal under international law to leave a person stateless. In other words, the disgusting POS is a British problem. Take her back and lock her up, you should have done it years ago.", ">\n\nStop trying to portray her as a victim. She isn't one.\nStop wasting funds and time interviewing her while you're at it as well.\nShe left to join a well known terrorist organization at the time, every 15 year old at the time she left, knew damn well what ISIS were and what they were doing. She should have no sympathy whatsoever.", ">\n\nYou’re still not welcome so go to Bangladesh your extended family will look after you.", ">\n\nApparently the Bangledeshi government has indicated that they would hang her.", ">\n\nSounds like the problem is resolved" ]