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[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday," ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?" ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again." ]

[ "It's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nThanks for the insight! Is there a danger of triggering commotio cordis of you hit someone in the solar plexus?", ">\n\nYes. I hadn’t planned to share the story but when I was in high school a friend of mine yanked the earbuds out of my ears by pulling on the cord. That really hurts so I was irritated and I kicked him squarely in the chest. He took a few steps and then passed out, sliding his face down the lockers. He was unconscious by the time he landed but then quickly regained consciousness He was taken to Stanford Hospital and they have good cardiologist and figured out that this was commodio cordis. In most cases, electrical activity spontaneously resumes.\nI’m lucky it did or I’d be in jail instead of a doctor. Scary to think about.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nI wish we could just speedrun to the company bankruptcy at this point.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nwhat a sham media bit. NO ONE- NOT ONE PERSON HAS POSTED ANY INFO RELATING TO THE VACCINE BEING THE CAUSE OF HIS EVENT. The vaccine MOST LIKELY caused it. oh well lock me up delete my profile- hiel! my papers are in order", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports.", ">\n\nYeah, if someone gets punched in the chest when their heart is at maximum contraction, it can just stop beating.\nSuper rare occurrence, but every couple years there's a news article where it happened from some kids messing around.", ">\n\nFun fact : sudden cardiac events is the leading cause of death in young athletes in the US. This is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource", ">\n\n\nThis is also a good thing to bring up to people who say it was the jab lol \nSource\n\nI wouldn't even bother engaging them. Those people are just gone.", ">\n\nExcept there is growing evidence of heart problems after getting the jab according to the CDC. I am personally also suffering possibly heart related symptoms nearly 2 years after getting the Pfizer vaccine. I'm not anti vax nor do I wear a tin foil hat. Doctors are starting to recognize this, too.", ">\n\nGood to see this for Damar Hamlin, he has made an impressive recovery.", ">\n\nDoctor here. I haven’t seen a lot written about exactly what happened to Damar Hamlin so I wanted to share some thoughts. \nFirst, let’s give a little background. There is a difference between sudden cardiac arrest and a heart attack. People are most familiar with a heart attack which in medicine we call a myocardial infarction. This is when a sudden blockage forms in one of the blood vessels that supplies oxygen to the heart muscle. This can be particularly deadly because if you can’t remove the blockage, the muscle will die which is as bad as it sounds. This almost certainly didn’t happen to Mr Hamlin because he’s 24 years old and the risk of a Miro cardio infarction in a 24 year old is vanishingly small. \nA sudden cardiac arrest on the other hand is a problem with the electrical system of the heart. The heart muscle is fine but the electrical pulse that causes it to be has been interrupted. There are a number of causes of this but I’d like to talk about two kinds. \nThere is a disease called HOCM where are some of the tissue that conducts the electrical system is inappropriately thick and the signal can be interrupted. This has been implicated the number of cases were athletes of just suddenly dropped “dead” on the field. This is probably the most well-known cause of sudden cardiac arrest and young athletes.\nIn this case however, the sudden cardiac arrest occurred following a hit. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. Commotio cordis is when someone sustains blunt force trauma to the chest at the exact wrong time in the cardiac cycle. For those who know EKGs, this is during the T-wave. This interrupts the electrical conduction, causing sudden cardiac arrest.\nThe good news is that sudden cardiac arrest and athletes is way less dangerous than a myocardial infarction. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very serious but it’s often survivable. In fact in New England journal of medicine study published in 2017 showed that 43.8% of athletes Survived sudden cardiac arrest.\nI hope that’s helpful and understanding what happened here and if you have any questions, please let me know.", ">\n\nHow, exactly, did humans confirm that these cases happen exactly during the T wave? Catch people on holters when someone rams into their chest with a tree trunk?", ">\n\nGood question! I have no idea.", ">\n\nLol! Fair. \nI'm just over here like, \"I'm not volunteering for that experiment...\"", ">\n\nThis is amazing news! I hope his recovery continues going well.", ">\n\nIt's so sad all the covid misinformation being pushed on Twitter since musk took over. He's even pushing it himself and replying to conspiracy theories attempting to validate them. \nHe even said he was releasing files on fauci last week, but didn't because his advertisers are bailing on him.", ">\n\nThey also ignore the fact there is a global pandemic that killing people.", ">\n\nGlad to hear! Also FUCK OFF ALL YOU ANTI-VAXX ASSHOLES!!! This situation perfectly showed you ghouls for the stupid monsters you are. Wishing him and his family the best moving forward.", ">\n\nI’m glad he’s been discharged I hope he’ll be ok", ">\n\nThis has been a miracle for NFL ownership. They’ve got to protect their billions.", ">\n\nWe still need to find out if it was a fluke. These are some of bruce lee's special one-punch techniques that can cause a heart attack. The forbidden arts.", ">\n\nHeart failure will always be a leading cause of death but since 1980 mortality rates have dropped significantly. As was highlighted by the broadcast its not one healthcare worker it’s every link in the chain. Reminder to respond as quickly as you can in a health emergency.", ">\n\nDamar and Bill\nAt Buffalo\nTheir legs running\nPlayoffs, when the Dolphins fell.", ">\n\nNFL should take care of those EMT’s that brought him back. Superbowl tickets perhaps?", ">\n\nNot discharged - moved to Buffalo", ">\n\nDid you read the article? Who am I kidding, of course not because it’s literally the first line lol\n\nBuffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been discharged from a Buffalo medical center, his club said Wednesday,", ">\n\nDamn... did he go back in the hospital or are you just late as hell with this?", ">\n\nHuh? He went from the hospital in Cincy to one in Buffalo and then home today", ">\n\nIt's nice to hear uplifting news. I hope he recovers quickly and leads a long and happy life.", ">\n\nI'll be honest, I was not optimistic on this one. I remember when it first happened and they first went to break thinking that he was already dead and they just hadn't figured out how to break it to us.\nI guess technically I was right there for a second or two.", ">\n\nConsidering the fatality rate for cardiac arrest, even with prompt medical care, you were just being realistic.", ">\n\nA prime example of the importance of knowing cpr and starting compressions asap", ">\n\nI take the opposite view. CPR was developed to buy a few minutes (literally) in a hospital setting. It also happens to work well with drowning victims, especially young children. Great. Every lifeguard should be ready to perform it.\nBut CPR outcomes outside of those settings are dismal. Here we have a young athlete who got the quickest possible care, including an on-site ambulance and EMTs, and it was still a close run thing.\nThere are any number of studies that look at CPR outcomes, and even when performed in a hospital the chances of being discharged with no cognitive damage are in the single digits. Being discharged within 30 days to a nursing home to be spoon fed for the rest of my life is not my idea of a \"win\". \nIt has become an industry. And it gives people a sense of control over fate, which I understand. But the time and effort would be better spent in other ways. Go for a few walks with your elderly neighbor, for example. Support sidewalks and paths in your town. Push for blood pressure screenings in poorly served areas (with follow-up). Once a 50ish person is collapsing in aisle 6 of the grocery store it is too late.\nCPR outcomes are not as portrayed on television.", ">\n\nThese comments always sound so defeatist about CPR and I just don’t fucking get why people post them. Yeah the outcomes aren’t great, but you know what the outcome without CPR is? Dead as fuck. Yes, find an AED. Yes, call 911. But for the love of god do proper CPR or have someone else do it so you have time to do this.", ">\n\nSerious question. Suppose you have a choice in the matter. And you know the odds are 70% that you will die anyway, 15% chance that you will linger in the hospital and then die (intubated), 10% chance that you will survive but live out your life in a nursing home with a damaged brain, and a 5% chance for a normal life.\nWould you still want CPR?\nMaybe I am defeatist about CPR. But I saw what hell ignoring my father's DNR order put him through. So I look at the numbers, I have thought about the outcomes and I realize that this thing is not a hail Mary with a happy TV ending.", ">\n\nThat doesn't really matter that much. If you don't want it, get a DNR now.\nAlso for anyone reading this that isn't trained. 30-2. 30 chest compressions to 2 deep breaths for the patient.\nAnd do it to the tune of \"Staying Alive\"\nAh-ah-ah staying alive staying alive.", ">\n\n🎵 first I was afraid 🎵\n🎵 i was petrified 🎵", ">\n\nDifferent song, but I appreciate that energy!", ">\n\nI wonder if this could fall under work comp.", ">\n\nProbably said in jest, but athletes contracts are insured already. Player still gets paid, but by insurance, and the team can write it off essentially.", ">\n\nSource on teams having player contract insurance?\nI’d guess they would self insure. I.e. just deal with it.\nInsurance is expensive and only makes sense when you can’t absorb the worst case risk.", ">\n\nThe only time I've heard of it is when pros who play for a club and international team (such as Association Football players) are insured against injuries which occur when playing for the international team, so that the club doesn't lose as much money if they get injured while playing for their country.\nIt was also beefed up after Michael Owen ruptured his ACL at the 2006 World Cup and saw his playing career fall apart, resulting in his team (Newcastle) suing the English FA and FIFA and getting around £10 million.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely true because otherwise their contracted teams would be harmed financially by things the player would normally be prohibited from doing under their contract - a dangerous activity for another organization.", ">\n\nStrictly speaking every team is a member of a football association which, in turn, is a member of FIFA, so international teams are arguably an extension of the organisations that each professional team must join. Their membership of the organisation also includes a commitment to release players for international matches, which is why teams don't really have any choice when it comes to players playing internationally.\nEither way, I also thought of another case - players in the NCAA who intend on turning pro in the next year or two can be insured against any loss of value caused by an injury while playing at an amateur level.", ">\n\nSure. There are all sorts of weird exceptions but in the case of an nfl player getting hurt playing an nfl game I don’t think the teams have any insurance on that. And honestly their $$ don’t really change that much. They don’t lower ticket prices when a star player gets hurt and their tv contracts are locked in. \nA baseball team that doesn’t sell out may lose some ticket sales but most every nfl game is sold out.", ">\n\nGood find, but that is a VERY confusing read. \nSo yeah if you do something high risk that may affect you for multiple seasons (e.g. signing old peyton manning) it may make sense to insure, but in general it isn't done. And for Hamlin the chances of having insurance seem very low to me.", ">\n\nOh yea, there's no way they have insured a 24 year old 6th-round draft pick who's only earning 30% above league minimum.", ">\n\nI have high hopes for Hamlin making a full recovery. I have a friend who dropped dead like this on a long bike ride, but luckily for him, his riding partner was an EMT, and sprang to action immediately doing CPR, for minutes, until the on-duty EMTs arrived, continuing CPR. And my friend survived and still is an athletic cyclist as he was before the cardiac arrest. He has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.", ">\n\n\nHe has no memory of the days leading into the incident, nor the weeks that followed.\n\nDoes he ever think you guys are gaslighting him into thinking he had a heart attack?", ">\n\nLOL- no, there are plenty of photos of him in the hospital, and plenty of medical bills. But I will mention this to him next time I see him.", ">\n\nGreat news! I wonder when they will find what the cause was and if he'll ever be able to play again.", ">\n\nA sudden, hard impact at exactly the right spot and moment in the cardiac cycle can cause a cardiac arrest. There may be additional factors that increased the likelihood of such an event in Damar’s situation, which is what they’re testing him for. Events like these are rare, but they do happen in high impact sports." ]