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As soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors."
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Bad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself."
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Destroy the police unions. Period. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too"
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Probably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with"
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I like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”"
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The real problem isn't "allegedly", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.
This isn't "Cop shoots unarmed person running away", it's "Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter"
It's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying "fleeing" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly"
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"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire" -- Bad Cops Everywhere | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop."
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I’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere"
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No wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways."
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Cops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree."
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It’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable"
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Paterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.
Police guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty."
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Too many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets."
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full body cam before and after
Video of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running.
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link"
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So as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops"
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since all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering… | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…"
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Police in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.
Some things that must happen to fix the problem:
1.remove qualified immunity.
2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.
3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.
4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights."
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Love it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick."
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and it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?
we have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?"
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Maybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?
Every single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is? | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges."
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Why are cops so stupidly gunho?
So many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their "hero" moves. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one"
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"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs"
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He feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head"
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state filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.
Isn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill… | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore"
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Fuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication."
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The gun they did find near him was most def a drop gun that cops carry around to place at a crime scene after they shoot an unarmed man. He shot that poor guy and put the drop gun there to try and get out of the consequences by framing him.
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication.",
">\n\nThey charged him? He must have shot a white guy."
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Anyone loving the fact police officers are finally being held to account in many cases? Sure you have the odd holdout state like backwards ass Republican states, but by and large they’re actually getting held accountable, still not to the degree a civilian would be, but this is great. | [
"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication.",
">\n\nThey charged him? He must have shot a white guy.",
">\n\nThe gun they did find near him was most def a drop gun that cops carry around to place at a crime scene after they shoot an unarmed man. He shot that poor guy and put the drop gun there to try and get out of the consequences by framing him.\nWhat a total dickwipe and I hope he gets everything that's coming to him"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication.",
">\n\nThey charged him? He must have shot a white guy.",
">\n\nThe gun they did find near him was most def a drop gun that cops carry around to place at a crime scene after they shoot an unarmed man. He shot that poor guy and put the drop gun there to try and get out of the consequences by framing him.\nWhat a total dickwipe and I hope he gets everything that's coming to him",
">\n\nAnyone loving the fact police officers are finally being held to account in many cases? Sure you have the odd holdout state like backwards ass Republican states, but by and large they’re actually getting held accountable, still not to the degree a civilian would be, but this is great."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication.",
">\n\nThey charged him? He must have shot a white guy.",
">\n\nThe gun they did find near him was most def a drop gun that cops carry around to place at a crime scene after they shoot an unarmed man. He shot that poor guy and put the drop gun there to try and get out of the consequences by framing him.\nWhat a total dickwipe and I hope he gets everything that's coming to him",
">\n\nAnyone loving the fact police officers are finally being held to account in many cases? Sure you have the odd holdout state like backwards ass Republican states, but by and large they’re actually getting held accountable, still not to the degree a civilian would be, but this is great.",
">\n\nProblem solving. I'm not chasing anyone."
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication.",
">\n\nThey charged him? He must have shot a white guy.",
">\n\nThe gun they did find near him was most def a drop gun that cops carry around to place at a crime scene after they shoot an unarmed man. He shot that poor guy and put the drop gun there to try and get out of the consequences by framing him.\nWhat a total dickwipe and I hope he gets everything that's coming to him",
">\n\nAnyone loving the fact police officers are finally being held to account in many cases? Sure you have the odd holdout state like backwards ass Republican states, but by and large they’re actually getting held accountable, still not to the degree a civilian would be, but this is great.",
">\n\nProblem solving. I'm not chasing anyone.",
">\n\nSoo.. when are we going to stop tolerating this?"
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"So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.",
">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week",
">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA",
">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive",
">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you",
">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order",
">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover",
">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.",
">\n\nJust a few bad apples.",
">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up",
">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.",
">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!",
">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking",
">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.",
">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.",
">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.",
">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.",
">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.",
">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?",
">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.",
">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.",
">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.",
">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.",
">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.",
">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k",
">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.",
">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.",
">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.",
">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.",
">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.",
">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences",
">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.",
">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes",
">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s",
">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.",
">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.",
">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context",
">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.",
">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.",
">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.",
">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.",
">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.",
">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news",
">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.",
">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.",
">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.",
">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?",
">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.",
">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this",
">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!",
">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?",
">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?",
">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.",
">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.",
">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.",
">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.",
">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage",
">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.",
">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"",
">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.",
">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.",
">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.",
">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.",
">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...",
">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.",
">\n\nYes it is!",
">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.",
">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine",
">\n\nAncient Chinese Police Proverb: kill em all",
">\n\nAs soon as I saw NJ, knew it had to be my hometown. Paterson, same police department that gave us the cop who beat up a suicidal man cuffed to a hospital bed. He filed a $4mil lawsuit against the city and was later found dead in his apartment of apparent suicide. Given his history, it’s a possibility but I wouldn’t rule out foul play either. There are so many more stories involving police and civilians too, they just don’t get as much attention. There’s a family that is petitioning for information on one of their loved ones, who was last seen in custody of Paterson PD. The cops claim they dropped him off at the Great Falls, in freezing weather and with no jacket. He’s still missing to this day and the police are of no help to this family.",
">\n\nCops should carry insurance. Just like doctors.",
">\n\nI can’t even imagine those premiums",
">\n\nBad cops won’t be able to afford to being cops anymore. Why should the tax payer get sued for the misconduct of police officers. This will weed out the bad cops by itself.",
">\n\nTheir union will do anything they can (even shady stuff) to make the taxpayers pay that too",
">\n\nDestroy the police unions. Period.",
">\n\nProbably wasn't even fleeing, just out for a run. Best cover they could come up with",
">\n\nI hate that I read this headline and I immediately think to myself “which one?”",
">\n\nI like the use of allegedly. Does the victim have a bullet wound matching the round fired from the police officers firearm? Than it isn't allegedly",
">\n\nThe real problem isn't \"allegedly\", it's news orgs knowing that most people skim titles, and phrasing this one in the least condemning way they could have.\nThis isn't \"Cop shoots unarmed person running away\", it's \"Cop shoots innocent bystander who is running away from an active shooter\" \nIt's significantly worse than the title makes it sound. Just saying \"fleeing\" makes it sound like the person was running from the cop.",
">\n\n\"The sight of the suspect's back appearing to get smaller as he ran away, made me fear for my life, and I felt compelled to fire\" -- Bad Cops Everywhere",
">\n\nI’m more surprised when a day goes by that I don’t see cops behaving in heinous, cowardly ways.",
">\n\nNo wonder people are running from the police. You can get shot if you run, you can get shot or beaten up if you don't run.",
">\n\nCops should have a fundamental understanding of the constitution that informs every decision they make. They should proooooobably be pre-law undergrads, at least. Or, better yet, we should make a standardized “Policing” degree.",
">\n\nJersey cops are the worst in the country. Hold those asshole accountable",
">\n\nIt’s pretty safe at this point that if an officer is involved then assume they’re guilty.",
">\n\n\nPaterson Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement that a preliminary review found that Moravek followed guidelines while responding to a service call and after hearing gunshots fired.\n\nPolice guidelines when responding to shots fired is to fire shots at anyone trying to flee the danger... Brilliant police work there. I guess we have to shoot between dying by an active shooter or dying by active cop.",
">\n\nToo many cops would rather shoot you than get a good cardio work out just for running. Problem is they've been proven time and time again as murderers, so I can understand the running, as opposed to people supposedly in charge of protecting us just murdering us in the streets.",
">\n\nSeems to me the state should give the victim a gun, and tell the cop to run. If he gets hit, oh well.",
">\n\nfull body cam before and after\nVideo of the incident where the cop blatantly lies for his body cam about seeing the victim with a gun. The gun is found about a block away and around the corner from where the cop started chasing the guy for no reason other than he was running. \nEdit: fixed link",
">\n\npeople who are running away are literally not a threat\nany sane person would run from the cops",
">\n\nSo as long as the cop THOUGHT he was a criminal it’s okay to shoot him in the back? Pretty f*cked policing if you ask me. Cops become cops do they can legally shoot people without consequences. Really need to send a message and start sending these guys to prison for long periods of time. Either that or burn down the system from top to bottom and start educating these people about what to serve and protect should mean.",
">\n\nsince all cops think they are at war with the general public, at what point will we the general public wage war back at them? are we going to continue as shooting practice for these pigs, or do something about it? just wondering…",
">\n\nStart filming every interaction. Preferably on a platform that saves to the cloud so they cannot just delete the footage off your phone. Then file a lawsuit when they violate your rights.",
">\n\nPolice in America are scared little children, with the intelligence of a toddler.\nSome things that must happen to fix the problem:\n1.remove qualified immunity.\n2.all officers must spend a minimum of 30 days undercover inside a jail.\n3.officers must provide their own incidental insurance, just like doctors.\n4.all officers should be rotating in and out of patrol duty.",
">\n\nLove it. Numbers 1 and 3 would definitely do the trick.",
">\n\nHe's gonna 100% charge the police force some money. The bullet fragments hit his spine and he hasn't been able to walk. Wtf dude.",
">\n\nand it encourages them to be armed.. and shoot back.. which encourages more of this insanity, but hey lets keep trying the same ole bullshit over and over, as long as we dont change, its got to work eventually, right?\nwe have one side with ideas, not always the best but at least they have ideas, and another side with hopes and prayers that things will get better. Well i can hope and pray all day long that my house will clean myself but in reality it actually takes effort.",
">\n\nWhy are cops so scared?",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me why running from police = death sentence? Especially if one is just running and has no weapon?",
">\n\nShooting someone in the back should immediately immediately fire you and put you up on charges.",
">\n\nMaybe if police stopped seeing other citizens as enemies and threats, they wouldn't be so eager to kill them?\nEvery single cop I've interacted with in the wild has been an ass for no reason. Even when it wasn't during a pull-over. I wonder why that is?",
">\n\nWhy are cops so stupidly gunho?\nSo many videos of cases where they could've easily let the perp go and then found him at home or elsewhere, yet they risk everything and put every in danger for their \"hero\" moves.",
">\n\nCharged =/= Convicted so I’m not holding my breath on this one",
">\n\nBut what if he got away? He might have been guilty of something!",
">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him\n\nYour life is at the mercy of someone's beliefs",
">\n\nFuck the police, they are nothing but gang members.",
">\n\nHe feared for his life so it was best to shoot someone in the back. He’s probably going to get a medal for this. It’s not easy to shoot someone in his back especially when aiming for his head",
">\n\nAre US cops psychotic or psychopathic?",
">\n\n\nstate filed charges of second-degree aggravated assault and official misconduct against Paterson Police Officer Jerry Moravek.\n\nIsn’t attempted manslaughter a crime? Attempted murder? How is this just an assault charge - if you shoot an unarmed person in the back as they’re fleeing, you’re shooting with intent to kill…",
">\n\nEvery day cops are told by their supervisors that anything that moves will kill them.",
">\n\nThis is why police shoot to kill, dead people can't argue with whatever lies the police come up with to justify premeditated murder.",
">\n\nNJ cops just doing NJ cop things.",
">\n\nCan’t wait to see this cop become a public school teacher in Baltimore",
">\n\nFucking prezbo",
">\n\nFuck these cops!! I do not understand why we are not just burning police stations to the ground at this point. They’re a racist, heavily armed gang. I literally do not worry about any MS13/Blood/Crips whatever. But cops make me nervous as fuck. They’re terrified of everything and if they’re scared (which they permanently are) they’re allowed to just execute whoever they want and the rest of their gang will back them up. I used to hate the idea of cameras everywhere (cuz 1984 was supposed to be fiction!) but now I feel we need them everywhere so that our parents know what actually happened when we get gunned down by these murderous psychopaths!!🤷🏻♂️ remember when a cop was physically able to run and tackle a suspect for whatever? Now they’re so lazy while also being terrified that they just shoot instead. They’re out there hunting people every day.",
">\n\nHe'll get a month of pain vacation and a raise.",
">\n\nA month of pain doesn’t sound like much of a vacation",
">\n\nNo, it’s a a typo.\nIt was supposed to be pain medication.",
">\n\nThey charged him? He must have shot a white guy.",
">\n\nThe gun they did find near him was most def a drop gun that cops carry around to place at a crime scene after they shoot an unarmed man. He shot that poor guy and put the drop gun there to try and get out of the consequences by framing him.\nWhat a total dickwipe and I hope he gets everything that's coming to him",
">\n\nAnyone loving the fact police officers are finally being held to account in many cases? Sure you have the odd holdout state like backwards ass Republican states, but by and large they’re actually getting held accountable, still not to the degree a civilian would be, but this is great.",
">\n\nProblem solving. I'm not chasing anyone.",
">\n\nSoo.. when are we going to stop tolerating this?",
">\n\nWell, how else are you going to stop a running person? \n/s obviously."
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Talk about embarrassment. EU institution cannot even keep secret of sensitive nature. | [] |
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"Talk about embarrassment. EU institution cannot even keep secret of sensitive nature."
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"Talk about embarrassment. EU institution cannot even keep secret of sensitive nature.",
">\n\nTaking into account amount of spies and idiots in our governments, I am not even surprised"
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Astroturfing is going to get so much worse to the point that there might be public calls for legislation to validate human identities on the internet to counter the influence of bots. | [] |
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A super interesting take on this was on an interview between Gary Markus and Ezra Klein, I would highly recommend. | [
"Astroturfing is going to get so much worse to the point that there might be public calls for legislation to validate human identities on the internet to counter the influence of bots."
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"Astroturfing is going to get so much worse to the point that there might be public calls for legislation to validate human identities on the internet to counter the influence of bots.",
">\n\nA super interesting take on this was on an interview between Gary Markus and Ezra Klein, I would highly recommend."
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All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it. | [] |
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What about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.
Hillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it."
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What about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?
This question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.
Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.
If the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.
Hillary wouldn't beat Obama
Hillary didn't beat Obama.
Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.
This is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump."
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I don't accept the premise of states voting in "an order" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?
None of the states should go first or last. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened."
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South carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last."
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We’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.
Georgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse"
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None. The primary should be like the general election: national.
Candidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.
Or, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.
Now none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then."
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Iowa!*
I'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does."
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I think Alaska should go first because it is sparsley populated and there are a lot of people who don't have access to internet or TV, so candidates have to go out there and campaign and work hard for those votes rather than sitting on their butts all day and airing ads. Also, choosing a sparsely populated state with lots of people who don't have internet access, allows underdogs with less national name-recognition to win. Alaska does have its drawbacks though, as primary season starts in January, so it would be very cold, but I'm of the opinion that candidates who want my vote should have to treck through an Alaska January to earn my vote. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does.",
">\n\nIowa!*\n\nI'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change."
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Only the most well-monied candidates could afford to travel to Alaska and then afford to travel around within Alaska.
People whine about Iowa, but it’s centrally located and cheap with low barriers to entry. And regarding the citizenry, if you’ve traveled around the country, you know that you can do a lot worse than random people in Iowa. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does.",
">\n\nIowa!*\n\nI'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change.",
">\n\nI think Alaska should go first because it is sparsley populated and there are a lot of people who don't have access to internet or TV, so candidates have to go out there and campaign and work hard for those votes rather than sitting on their butts all day and airing ads. Also, choosing a sparsely populated state with lots of people who don't have internet access, allows underdogs with less national name-recognition to win. Alaska does have its drawbacks though, as primary season starts in January, so it would be very cold, but I'm of the opinion that candidates who want my vote should have to treck through an Alaska January to earn my vote."
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Rotating Regional Primary System is the best alternative to the current primary system that arbitrarily gives some states tremendous power when it comes to electing the president while giving other states no power. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does.",
">\n\nIowa!*\n\nI'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change.",
">\n\nI think Alaska should go first because it is sparsley populated and there are a lot of people who don't have access to internet or TV, so candidates have to go out there and campaign and work hard for those votes rather than sitting on their butts all day and airing ads. Also, choosing a sparsely populated state with lots of people who don't have internet access, allows underdogs with less national name-recognition to win. Alaska does have its drawbacks though, as primary season starts in January, so it would be very cold, but I'm of the opinion that candidates who want my vote should have to treck through an Alaska January to earn my vote.",
">\n\nOnly the most well-monied candidates could afford to travel to Alaska and then afford to travel around within Alaska. \nPeople whine about Iowa, but it’s centrally located and cheap with low barriers to entry. And regarding the citizenry, if you’ve traveled around the country, you know that you can do a lot worse than random people in Iowa."
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Something similar was posted earlier. States that are representative of the entire country should go first. LINK IL is the most representative of the US population as a whole but is firmly blue.
Michigan (rank 3), Arizona (rank 4), and North Carolina (rank 9) should be the first states to go. They are geographically diverse and swing states so it works for both parties. Cheaper media markets help too
IMO there should be 11 primary days, each primary date has 5 states/territories vote on that day. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does.",
">\n\nIowa!*\n\nI'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change.",
">\n\nI think Alaska should go first because it is sparsley populated and there are a lot of people who don't have access to internet or TV, so candidates have to go out there and campaign and work hard for those votes rather than sitting on their butts all day and airing ads. Also, choosing a sparsely populated state with lots of people who don't have internet access, allows underdogs with less national name-recognition to win. Alaska does have its drawbacks though, as primary season starts in January, so it would be very cold, but I'm of the opinion that candidates who want my vote should have to treck through an Alaska January to earn my vote.",
">\n\nOnly the most well-monied candidates could afford to travel to Alaska and then afford to travel around within Alaska. \nPeople whine about Iowa, but it’s centrally located and cheap with low barriers to entry. And regarding the citizenry, if you’ve traveled around the country, you know that you can do a lot worse than random people in Iowa.",
">\n\nRotating Regional Primary System is the best alternative to the current primary system that arbitrarily gives some states tremendous power when it comes to electing the president while giving other states no power."
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I believe we should have a national primary day. All 50 states participate on the same day. | [
"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does.",
">\n\nIowa!*\n\nI'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change.",
">\n\nI think Alaska should go first because it is sparsley populated and there are a lot of people who don't have access to internet or TV, so candidates have to go out there and campaign and work hard for those votes rather than sitting on their butts all day and airing ads. Also, choosing a sparsely populated state with lots of people who don't have internet access, allows underdogs with less national name-recognition to win. Alaska does have its drawbacks though, as primary season starts in January, so it would be very cold, but I'm of the opinion that candidates who want my vote should have to treck through an Alaska January to earn my vote.",
">\n\nOnly the most well-monied candidates could afford to travel to Alaska and then afford to travel around within Alaska. \nPeople whine about Iowa, but it’s centrally located and cheap with low barriers to entry. And regarding the citizenry, if you’ve traveled around the country, you know that you can do a lot worse than random people in Iowa.",
">\n\nRotating Regional Primary System is the best alternative to the current primary system that arbitrarily gives some states tremendous power when it comes to electing the president while giving other states no power.",
">\n\nSomething similar was posted earlier. States that are representative of the entire country should go first. LINK IL is the most representative of the US population as a whole but is firmly blue. \nMichigan (rank 3), Arizona (rank 4), and North Carolina (rank 9) should be the first states to go. They are geographically diverse and swing states so it works for both parties. Cheaper media markets help too\nIMO there should be 11 primary days, each primary date has 5 states/territories vote on that day."
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"All fifty states should have their primaries on the same day. This isn't the 1850s and candidates don't have to campaign by train anymore. The only reason the tiered schedule persists is that it makes make huge amounts of money for the early states. We've tricked ourselves into believing this system produces a better result. It doesn't. End it.",
">\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections? Lesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama and Sanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.",
">\n\n\nWhat about the argument that Obama and Biden wouldn't have won their elections?\n\nThis question presupposes that Obama and Biden were the better choices and that the primary process proved that. I'm not sure I buy it. Especially for Biden in 2020.\n\n\nLesser known candidates won't have time to make a name for themselves.\n\nIf the primaries were held in July, they'd have *more* time. As it is now, nearly all of them drop out by Super Tuesday.\n\n\nHillary wouldn't beat Obama\n\nHillary didn't beat Obama.\n\n\nSanders probably would've won the primaries and most likely would've been beaten by Trump.\n\nThis is purely hypothetical. Biden would have had the same chance at the nomination if all the primaries were held in July. The underlying factors would all be the same. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean that's the only way it could have happened.",
">\n\nI don't accept the premise of states voting in \"an order\" as a sensible practice. We did it in the past because of the limitations of the speed of information (horse, train, telegraph, etc). Maintaining an order of elections is both unnecessary, and political of itself. Why not simply open polls in all states in late October and close them at midnight EST on 11/8?\nNone of the states should go first or last.",
">\n\nSouth carolina is honestly not a bad choice I think nh has diversity outside of racial diversity and there are defintely plenty w out internet.SC isnt really a seing state either and those should probably be first in terms of real strategy getting palatable candidates in swing states. MI, WI, PA, AZ, are all pretth diverse",
">\n\nWe’re rural, conservative compared to the rest of the party, and not going to any Democratic president anytime soon.\nGeorgia or North Carolina are far better options. But they actually show a progressive streak every now and then.",
">\n\nNone. The primary should be like the general election: national. \nCandidates can debate and campaign before hand, then be chosen through STAR voting.\nOr, if state parties can organize it, a series of nationwide primaries until one candidate has a majority/super-majority or a deadline is hit, and the leader gets the nomination.\nNow none of this would happen: the DNC isn’t about representation. We’ll all be dead before an improvement to the party apparatus of substance happens, assuming it ever does.",
">\n\nIowa!*\n\nI'll see myself out, I'm very happy it isn't us for a change.",
">\n\nI think Alaska should go first because it is sparsley populated and there are a lot of people who don't have access to internet or TV, so candidates have to go out there and campaign and work hard for those votes rather than sitting on their butts all day and airing ads. Also, choosing a sparsely populated state with lots of people who don't have internet access, allows underdogs with less national name-recognition to win. Alaska does have its drawbacks though, as primary season starts in January, so it would be very cold, but I'm of the opinion that candidates who want my vote should have to treck through an Alaska January to earn my vote.",
">\n\nOnly the most well-monied candidates could afford to travel to Alaska and then afford to travel around within Alaska. \nPeople whine about Iowa, but it’s centrally located and cheap with low barriers to entry. And regarding the citizenry, if you’ve traveled around the country, you know that you can do a lot worse than random people in Iowa.",
">\n\nRotating Regional Primary System is the best alternative to the current primary system that arbitrarily gives some states tremendous power when it comes to electing the president while giving other states no power.",
">\n\nSomething similar was posted earlier. States that are representative of the entire country should go first. LINK IL is the most representative of the US population as a whole but is firmly blue. \nMichigan (rank 3), Arizona (rank 4), and North Carolina (rank 9) should be the first states to go. They are geographically diverse and swing states so it works for both parties. Cheaper media markets help too\nIMO there should be 11 primary days, each primary date has 5 states/territories vote on that day.",
">\n\nI believe we should have a national primary day. All 50 states participate on the same day."
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India is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option? | [] |
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That’s capitalism + globalisation for you | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?"
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The end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you"
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India doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India."
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Ironical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me."
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So you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum? | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat"
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WE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
unless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?"
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Corrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable.
That tracks | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever"
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Funny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks"
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There’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground."
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Wonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.
Probably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity."
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Okay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt."
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It's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.
Meanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses."
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So you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks."
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In Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.
But it is India’s work to prevent European wars
It's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars"
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You are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option."
] |
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No, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.
Also, no "would" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.
India has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance"
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>
Defending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way?
It wouldn’t happen | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives."
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Right, but you will lose access to lots of other markets you needed much more and then realize your a bunch of idiots who tried to save pennies on the dollar and lost dollars instead.
Oil is a simple product and not actually rare and getting it for slightly more or less doesn't have as much impact on an economy as refined goods. It's a high volume product and as such it's both simple and rather cheaper per unit.. or else it would have went out of business long ago.
Soo you don't get much saving a little bit here and there on energy while sacrificing your more advanced markets as you get cut out of the global cooperative more and more for being troublemakers.
There is also the fact that such a huge population in such a bad geography is little more than a ticking timebomb and automated labor means India's long term economic prospects are not great because cheap foreign labor is also on the chopping block.
India wants to be the next China, but China is already the next China and after that robotic automation is the next China. India missed the boat and their GDP per capita is WAY too low to think they will catch up anytime before automation completely re-shaped the global economy.
I think they are going to be a giant population stuck in a drought prone geography with few options. China will have similar problem, but at least they developed a lot more before cheap labor started to decline. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives.",
">\n\nDefending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way? \nIt wouldn’t happen"
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"Sir, this is a Wendys" | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives.",
">\n\nDefending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way? \nIt wouldn’t happen",
">\n\nRight, but you will lose access to lots of other markets you needed much more and then realize your a bunch of idiots who tried to save pennies on the dollar and lost dollars instead.\nOil is a simple product and not actually rare and getting it for slightly more or less doesn't have as much impact on an economy as refined goods. It's a high volume product and as such it's both simple and rather cheaper per unit.. or else it would have went out of business long ago.\nSoo you don't get much saving a little bit here and there on energy while sacrificing your more advanced markets as you get cut out of the global cooperative more and more for being troublemakers.\nThere is also the fact that such a huge population in such a bad geography is little more than a ticking timebomb and automated labor means India's long term economic prospects are not great because cheap foreign labor is also on the chopping block.\nIndia wants to be the next China, but China is already the next China and after that robotic automation is the next China. India missed the boat and their GDP per capita is WAY too low to think they will catch up anytime before automation completely re-shaped the global economy.\nI think they are going to be a giant population stuck in a drought prone geography with few options. China will have similar problem, but at least they developed a lot more before cheap labor started to decline."
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Sure fund the rockets landing on civilians in Ukraine if the price is right. I mean money is money. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives.",
">\n\nDefending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way? \nIt wouldn’t happen",
">\n\nRight, but you will lose access to lots of other markets you needed much more and then realize your a bunch of idiots who tried to save pennies on the dollar and lost dollars instead.\nOil is a simple product and not actually rare and getting it for slightly more or less doesn't have as much impact on an economy as refined goods. It's a high volume product and as such it's both simple and rather cheaper per unit.. or else it would have went out of business long ago.\nSoo you don't get much saving a little bit here and there on energy while sacrificing your more advanced markets as you get cut out of the global cooperative more and more for being troublemakers.\nThere is also the fact that such a huge population in such a bad geography is little more than a ticking timebomb and automated labor means India's long term economic prospects are not great because cheap foreign labor is also on the chopping block.\nIndia wants to be the next China, but China is already the next China and after that robotic automation is the next China. India missed the boat and their GDP per capita is WAY too low to think they will catch up anytime before automation completely re-shaped the global economy.\nI think they are going to be a giant population stuck in a drought prone geography with few options. China will have similar problem, but at least they developed a lot more before cheap labor started to decline.",
">\n\n\"Sir, this is a Wendys\""
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This is India trying to put their pants on. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives.",
">\n\nDefending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way? \nIt wouldn’t happen",
">\n\nRight, but you will lose access to lots of other markets you needed much more and then realize your a bunch of idiots who tried to save pennies on the dollar and lost dollars instead.\nOil is a simple product and not actually rare and getting it for slightly more or less doesn't have as much impact on an economy as refined goods. It's a high volume product and as such it's both simple and rather cheaper per unit.. or else it would have went out of business long ago.\nSoo you don't get much saving a little bit here and there on energy while sacrificing your more advanced markets as you get cut out of the global cooperative more and more for being troublemakers.\nThere is also the fact that such a huge population in such a bad geography is little more than a ticking timebomb and automated labor means India's long term economic prospects are not great because cheap foreign labor is also on the chopping block.\nIndia wants to be the next China, but China is already the next China and after that robotic automation is the next China. India missed the boat and their GDP per capita is WAY too low to think they will catch up anytime before automation completely re-shaped the global economy.\nI think they are going to be a giant population stuck in a drought prone geography with few options. China will have similar problem, but at least they developed a lot more before cheap labor started to decline.",
">\n\n\"Sir, this is a Wendys\"",
">\n\nSure fund the rockets landing on civilians in Ukraine if the price is right. I mean money is money."
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Anything to make the citizens of India that all is well as Modi financier / bff is losing billions, which I will "assume" he wants to ignore. | [
"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives.",
">\n\nDefending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way? \nIt wouldn’t happen",
">\n\nRight, but you will lose access to lots of other markets you needed much more and then realize your a bunch of idiots who tried to save pennies on the dollar and lost dollars instead.\nOil is a simple product and not actually rare and getting it for slightly more or less doesn't have as much impact on an economy as refined goods. It's a high volume product and as such it's both simple and rather cheaper per unit.. or else it would have went out of business long ago.\nSoo you don't get much saving a little bit here and there on energy while sacrificing your more advanced markets as you get cut out of the global cooperative more and more for being troublemakers.\nThere is also the fact that such a huge population in such a bad geography is little more than a ticking timebomb and automated labor means India's long term economic prospects are not great because cheap foreign labor is also on the chopping block.\nIndia wants to be the next China, but China is already the next China and after that robotic automation is the next China. India missed the boat and their GDP per capita is WAY too low to think they will catch up anytime before automation completely re-shaped the global economy.\nI think they are going to be a giant population stuck in a drought prone geography with few options. China will have similar problem, but at least they developed a lot more before cheap labor started to decline.",
">\n\n\"Sir, this is a Wendys\"",
">\n\nSure fund the rockets landing on civilians in Ukraine if the price is right. I mean money is money.",
">\n\nThis is India trying to put their pants on."
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"So...\nIndia is saying they can't afford to not buy the cheapest option?",
">\n\nThat’s capitalism + globalisation for you",
">\n\nThe end of sanctions on Russia will be hard on India.",
">\n\nIndia doesn't appear to me to think about the future, always claiming to be too poor to act strategically. It's largely why they're still poor, if you ask me.",
">\n\nIronical coming from an armchair reddit diplomat",
">\n\nSo you think I should find another armchair diplomat forum?",
">\n\nWE’LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES\nunless it inconveniences us in any way whatsoever",
">\n\nCorrupt country that still burns witches says they’ll do something ethically questionable. \nThat tracks",
">\n\nFunny thing how this comment applies to many other countries around the globe who pretend to be on a moral high ground.",
">\n\nThere’s corruption, and there’s India level corruption. The whole country is a human rights and environmental nightmare. You couldn’t pay me to visit, 75% of the population surveyed would leave if given the opportunity.",
">\n\nWonder if the US will remember this when it comes time to parcel out visas.\nProbably not. US companies can't even touch caste discrimination without these chucklefucks getting butthurt.",
">\n\nOkay whichever country has problems with it can match Russian price and sell it to India. India continues to get oil and Putler loses.",
">\n\nIt's not other states work to finance Indias morals. Several states have massively restructured their energy imports in response to the invasion, moving from in some cases >50% of oil, gas, and/or coal imports coming from Russia to very little or none at all.\nMeanwhile Indias stance appears to be that it's fine with financing the Russian war machine so long as it saves them a few bucks.",
">\n\nSo you don’t want Putin to be defeated by starving of cash. How cruel. But it is India’s work to prevent European wars",
">\n\nIn Europe, those who relied on cheap energy imports from Russia took their part of the burden in shifting off of that onto themselves. India likewise profited from russian prices, and now ought to use some of that saved money to shift away, the same way everyone else has done.\n\nBut it is India’s work to prevent European wars\n\nIt's not about the war, in principle. It's about the deaths. Continuing to buy stuff, especially energy resources, from Russia means funneling money into the russian war machine. Every rupie India gives to Russia is one more they can spend on the mass murder of Ukranians than they otherwise could. The choice is quite simple - either you sacrifice some money, or you sacrifice some peoples lives. Everyone else has chosen the only correct option.",
">\n\nYou are comparing very wealthy West European nations with smaller population with a per capita poor country and huge country population wise. Again your sacrifice would be beneficial because you’re in an alliance",
">\n\nNo, looking purely at the good of the EU and its states, shifting away from Russian imports is just throwing away money. It only becomes a relevant option because the other option would be to continue subsidizing Russias murders in Ukraine, and in that the option becomes the imperative.\nAlso, no \"would\" about it. Many EU states have sacrificed a lot of money to make this switch - but if it saves lives, then that's worth it.\nIndia has the money, mind you. It's a giant economy, which has the very-well-backed-up balls to do stuff like confront China and demand a permanent seat at the UNSC. The people might not be rich, but the state is. You're just trying to excuse the fact that you're supporting valuing money higher than literal lives.",
">\n\nDefending against China is not a per capita activity nor its military strength. But buying huge quantity of oil with increased prices will definitely leave it vulnerable. European countries have been outbidding India when it goes for spot buying in natural gas and oil. Would any European country let India to buy those non Russian supplies without outbidding? Meet us half way? \nIt wouldn’t happen",
">\n\nRight, but you will lose access to lots of other markets you needed much more and then realize your a bunch of idiots who tried to save pennies on the dollar and lost dollars instead.\nOil is a simple product and not actually rare and getting it for slightly more or less doesn't have as much impact on an economy as refined goods. It's a high volume product and as such it's both simple and rather cheaper per unit.. or else it would have went out of business long ago.\nSoo you don't get much saving a little bit here and there on energy while sacrificing your more advanced markets as you get cut out of the global cooperative more and more for being troublemakers.\nThere is also the fact that such a huge population in such a bad geography is little more than a ticking timebomb and automated labor means India's long term economic prospects are not great because cheap foreign labor is also on the chopping block.\nIndia wants to be the next China, but China is already the next China and after that robotic automation is the next China. India missed the boat and their GDP per capita is WAY too low to think they will catch up anytime before automation completely re-shaped the global economy.\nI think they are going to be a giant population stuck in a drought prone geography with few options. China will have similar problem, but at least they developed a lot more before cheap labor started to decline.",
">\n\n\"Sir, this is a Wendys\"",
">\n\nSure fund the rockets landing on civilians in Ukraine if the price is right. I mean money is money.",
">\n\nThis is India trying to put their pants on.",
">\n\nAnything to make the citizens of India that all is well as Modi financier / bff is losing billions, which I will \"assume\" he wants to ignore."
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