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[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere.", ">\n\nTurns out we got the predictions wrong, World War 3 will be fought with balloons" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere.", ">\n\nTurns out we got the predictions wrong, World War 3 will be fought with balloons", ">\n\n99 luftballons" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere.", ">\n\nTurns out we got the predictions wrong, World War 3 will be fought with balloons", ">\n\n99 luftballons", ">\n\nIt's like kids squabbling..." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere.", ">\n\nTurns out we got the predictions wrong, World War 3 will be fought with balloons", ">\n\n99 luftballons", ">\n\nIt's like kids squabbling...", ">\n\nmost politics are" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere.", ">\n\nTurns out we got the predictions wrong, World War 3 will be fought with balloons", ">\n\n99 luftballons", ">\n\nIt's like kids squabbling...", ">\n\nmost politics are", ">\n\nSo... China netizens didn't talk about the spy balloon for a whole week." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina, which reacted sharply to the recent US downing of a Chinese balloon, had one of its fighter jets shoot down what it claimed was a foreign spy balloon four years ago, according to Chinese media outlets.\nThe outlets said the Chinese military plane downed the balloon with a missile after it entered Chinese airspace in September 2019.\nChina's foreign ministry said the use of force against the Chinese balloon was an \"Obvious overreaction\" and violated international standard practices.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: balloon^#1 Chinese^#2 foreign^#3 down^#4 China^#5", ">\n\nAnd yet China said it did the same 4 years ago.", ">\n\nChina's not sure if they want to play the victim or the hypocrite", ">\n\nPor que no los dos?", ">\n\nThe US violated \"international standard practice\" yet 4 years ago, they shot down a balloon in the same fashion as the Americans. Hahaha\nCan they be more hypocrite or what?! Let's hope one nation in South America decides to shoot down the other balloon as well.", ">\n\nYou don't understand. According to their narrative the balloon over the US was a civilian meteorological balloon, whereas the balloon they shot down was a foreign military spy balloon. Of course that's not the truth, but that is the narrative they have to stick to, so they have to act all upset about it being shot down if they want to maintain plausible deniability.", ">\n\nIt's not from the US, the winds don't blow that way. Ask Russia or eastern Europe somewhere.", ">\n\nTurns out we got the predictions wrong, World War 3 will be fought with balloons", ">\n\n99 luftballons", ">\n\nIt's like kids squabbling...", ">\n\nmost politics are", ">\n\nSo... China netizens didn't talk about the spy balloon for a whole week.", ">\n\nLame. You don't even have fake video evidence." ]

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[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol" ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background" ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . ." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me.", ">\n\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely\n\nMisguided sexism, racism, bigotry. ex: People that have fallen into a trap like listening to the BS that Jordan Peterson spews or someone that's repeating Fox News Talking Head Bullshit\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nOutward and unapologetic sexism, racism, or bigotry. Even in this category there's scale of measured response. As the speech slides toward inciting violence the response needs to be firmer." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me.", ">\n\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely\n\nMisguided sexism, racism, bigotry. ex: People that have fallen into a trap like listening to the BS that Jordan Peterson spews or someone that's repeating Fox News Talking Head Bullshit\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nOutward and unapologetic sexism, racism, or bigotry. Even in this category there's scale of measured response. As the speech slides toward inciting violence the response needs to be firmer.", ">\n\nThanks for your insights! Are there political positions you consider incorrect, but you can see the validity?" ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me.", ">\n\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely\n\nMisguided sexism, racism, bigotry. ex: People that have fallen into a trap like listening to the BS that Jordan Peterson spews or someone that's repeating Fox News Talking Head Bullshit\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nOutward and unapologetic sexism, racism, or bigotry. Even in this category there's scale of measured response. As the speech slides toward inciting violence the response needs to be firmer.", ">\n\nThanks for your insights! Are there political positions you consider incorrect, but you can see the validity?", ">\n\nMost political positions can be \"valid\". What's important is context.\nPolicies that work in rural Kentucky where your closest neighbor is 20 miles away may not work in urban centers where the only thing separating you from your neighbors is a wall made of paper.\nAs far as positions that are incorrect.. people that view abortion as murder are incorrect." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me.", ">\n\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely\n\nMisguided sexism, racism, bigotry. ex: People that have fallen into a trap like listening to the BS that Jordan Peterson spews or someone that's repeating Fox News Talking Head Bullshit\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nOutward and unapologetic sexism, racism, or bigotry. Even in this category there's scale of measured response. As the speech slides toward inciting violence the response needs to be firmer.", ">\n\nThanks for your insights! Are there political positions you consider incorrect, but you can see the validity?", ">\n\nMost political positions can be \"valid\". What's important is context.\nPolicies that work in rural Kentucky where your closest neighbor is 20 miles away may not work in urban centers where the only thing separating you from your neighbors is a wall made of paper.\nAs far as positions that are incorrect.. people that view abortion as murder are incorrect.", ">\n\n1) sports in category one\n2) American policing for category 2\n3) poor education, miseducation religious indoctrination, oligarchism, socialism, communism, capitalism in category 3" ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me.", ">\n\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely\n\nMisguided sexism, racism, bigotry. ex: People that have fallen into a trap like listening to the BS that Jordan Peterson spews or someone that's repeating Fox News Talking Head Bullshit\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nOutward and unapologetic sexism, racism, or bigotry. Even in this category there's scale of measured response. As the speech slides toward inciting violence the response needs to be firmer.", ">\n\nThanks for your insights! Are there political positions you consider incorrect, but you can see the validity?", ">\n\nMost political positions can be \"valid\". What's important is context.\nPolicies that work in rural Kentucky where your closest neighbor is 20 miles away may not work in urban centers where the only thing separating you from your neighbors is a wall made of paper.\nAs far as positions that are incorrect.. people that view abortion as murder are incorrect.", ">\n\n1) sports in category one\n2) American policing for category 2\n3) poor education, miseducation religious indoctrination, oligarchism, socialism, communism, capitalism in category 3", ">\n\nI’d say it becomes fighting or no longer productive when someone decides to start making things personal. Personal attacks or jabs at the person your talking with are usually a tell tale sign that it’s no longer political discourse. \nJabs usually mean that there’s no longer and legitimate points to share and someone is desperately grasping at straws to “win” by bullying or in a more positive light it could be a sarcastic jab showing they are surrendering." ]

[ "The system we have right now in USA is fine where everything is free game except immediate directed calls to illicit activities such as violence or disorder.\nAgreeable speech does not need any protections, only disagreeable speech needs it and no one should trust a government to determine what non-violent speech is acceptable.\nLet the marketplace of ideas and social pressure determine what becomes mainstream or not. Force of law shouldn't be used to shut down mere ideas.", ">\n\n\nI understand the frustration that a lot of people have with the requirement that only incitement of imminent lawless action can be prosecuted. This makes it so that someone can say things that are likely to lead to violence as long as it would only occur at an indefinite point in the future.\n\nIt's a bad rule... until you contemplate the alternative.", ">\n\nI'll talk about anything with anybody.\nThe worst ideas are the ones that most need drubbing in the town square. You don't want that stuff to fester in the dark, for the same reason you don't want it held unchallenged in the light. Discourse is the mode of social progress.\nExtinguishing people to quiet dissenting opinions is the action of a propagandist. After that precedent is set, it doesn't matter how righteous the propagandist's message was, it will turn shortly to elitism and hate.", ">\n\nThe thing that comes to mind immediately as what I consider outside free speech tolerance is facially untrue claims to deny elections, Ala Trump and MAGAs for 2020. Even then though it can be tolerated so long as it isn't widespread enough to actually be getting officials to overturn election results. After that violence is acceptable, but unfortunate. There are lots of stupid ideas like that, flatearthers types that so long as it remains on the fringe society can weather them without too much trouble.", ">\n\nI do want to point out that the Overton Window is meant to kind of neutrally represent what's considered politically acceptable in a given society overall, not what individuals agree or disagree with. So, for example, 15 years ago opposing gay marriage was objectively acceptable and within the Overton Window, and today it is not, even though of course there were strongly pro-LGBT people back then and there are strongly anti-LGBT people now.\nAs for where we should draw the line of tolerable vs. intolerable political views, I think your first category would be answered very broadly by most people, and there's a pretty big jump between two and three, so I hope you don't mind if I change your categories up a little bit. It's a complicated topic, but I think I would divide things like this:\nSomething you disagree with. Everyday political disagreements not covered by the other categories.\nSomething you strongly disagree with; you would still be willing to be friends with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs that I consider foolish, damaging, or immoral, but still compatible with a liberal democratic society. So, for example: hardcore libertarians (whether left-wing or right-wing), principled social conservatives, democratic socialists, \"defund/abolish the police\" types, separatists (I'm Canadian so I'm thinking of Quebec here), and so on.\nSomething you vehemently disagree with; you would not want to associate with a person with this belief. For me this would be beliefs I consider totally morally unacceptable and/or hostile to our liberal democratic society. For example: openly bigoted people, revolutionary socialists, religious fundamentalists, prison abolitionists, Alex Jones-level conspiracy theorists, and so on. \nSomething unforgivable that may be extinguished by censorship or by force. I would reserve this category for those who openly and explicitly seek to destroy our liberal democratic society and/or advocate violence and hatred against groups of people. Neo-Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, anarchists, \"solidarity with the DPRK\"-level communists, Islamists and other religious extremists, and so on.\nI say \"may\" because while I believe the government should not hesitate to bring the hammer down if these groups pose a threat, actively hunting them down may be counterproductive and hard to balance against constitutional rights; there may be a gray area between the previous category and this one. Exactly where we draw that line of course brings us to the \"paradox of tolerance\" and is a whole other discussion.", ">\n\n\nSomething you disagree with, but think is a valid POV\n\nLibertarianism, socialism and other economic ideologies, hell most things generally. I oppose gun restrictions and mass immigration but I can at least see where these people are coming from.\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely.\n\nAbortion, Biden's presidency (mostly just the DNC in general), incels, the idiotic anti-semetic ideas that Jews run everything (complete crap), and health mandates.\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nI really want to say 'nothing' but neocon pro-war interventionism has killed so many innocent people in the middle east. It's completely unacceptable.", ">\n\nI like to debate stuff at work with colleagues and because we worked such fucked up hours, including overnights, it was more or less accepted due to people being bored as long as people were respectful. It was about 2 years later where I had to shut shit down when a guy got so angry that I thought he was going to be this girls ass in the office. That’s my line lol", ">\n\nI used to play poker for a living (not a good living, my ceiling was pretty low). I LOVED the 2016 election. It was a years worth of dropping grenades at the poker table then sitting back and watching people lose their minds (and money) The dealers knew what I was up to and would give the dirtiest looks when I would toss out a \"huh, this Trump guy has some interesting positions\"...then just fade into the background", ">\n\nBasically everything's fair game until it becomes a threat of violence or targeted harassment. That's my line. I'm fine with people having stupid opinions.", ">\n\nIf it is not an immediate threat, incitement to violence, libel, orbpubkic obscenity?\nThen such speech deserves the full protection under the law.\nIt gets dicey when we are talking about quasi-monopolistic tech giants. Social media is so new and ubiquitous, a new constitutional standard ought to exist tobgivern the parameters of free speech.\nA purist would say that aprivate company can censor whatever it wants. And then one could also argue that this megacorp is a monopoly and should be broken up . . .", ">\n\nI can sit and discuss politics the most extreme right wing/left wing and or other one can think of. I can sit with an extremist ANTIFA that thinks all republicans should be destroyed, literally and figuratively. I can sit and discuss racial issues with members of the KKK, or black isrealities\nNothing anyone says is going to bring to a place of \"fighting words\"\nWe need these discussions. All of them. I fucking loathe political censorship. I loathe medical censorship. If someone wants to spout off about how vaccines are going to kill everyone. I'm down for a discussion.\nI want their words platformed, so that I can address and combat them on the same platform.\nProgress and change is done through conversation, not silencing opposing opinions.", ">\n\nAs a public school teacher with progressive views, who grew up in a poor blue collar neighborhood, I have long walked a line between my own political views and those of the lifelong friends and family. \nI usually took the ‘let it slide’ approach. But when the political right popularized the narrative that I’m a pedophile because I’ve spent almost three decades of my life working in public schools, that was my last straw. \nI didn’t fight, because it was not worth it. But that narrative, passed along in meme form, was the thing that moved me to action. And that action was to move on without these people in my life. \nSo yeah, that’s my line, call me a pedo because I’ve taught in large urban high schools for 28 years. We won’t fight, but our shared history ends and, in my mind and heart, I will consider you as dead to me.", ">\n\n\nSomething repulsive or idiotic that should be opposed strongly, but politely\n\nMisguided sexism, racism, bigotry. ex: People that have fallen into a trap like listening to the BS that Jordan Peterson spews or someone that's repeating Fox News Talking Head Bullshit\n\nSomething unforgivable that can only be extinguished with censorship / force\n\nOutward and unapologetic sexism, racism, or bigotry. Even in this category there's scale of measured response. As the speech slides toward inciting violence the response needs to be firmer.", ">\n\nThanks for your insights! Are there political positions you consider incorrect, but you can see the validity?", ">\n\nMost political positions can be \"valid\". What's important is context.\nPolicies that work in rural Kentucky where your closest neighbor is 20 miles away may not work in urban centers where the only thing separating you from your neighbors is a wall made of paper.\nAs far as positions that are incorrect.. people that view abortion as murder are incorrect.", ">\n\n1) sports in category one\n2) American policing for category 2\n3) poor education, miseducation religious indoctrination, oligarchism, socialism, communism, capitalism in category 3", ">\n\nI’d say it becomes fighting or no longer productive when someone decides to start making things personal. Personal attacks or jabs at the person your talking with are usually a tell tale sign that it’s no longer political discourse. \nJabs usually mean that there’s no longer and legitimate points to share and someone is desperately grasping at straws to “win” by bullying or in a more positive light it could be a sarcastic jab showing they are surrendering.", ">\n\nI'm a fan of when people go this route because it becomes even easier to show \"lurkers\" how silly their position was in the first place" ]

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[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.", ">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.", ">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.", ">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure..." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.", ">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.", ">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...", ">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.", ">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.", ">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...", ">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.", ">\n\nYes it is!" ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.", ">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.", ">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...", ">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.", ">\n\nYes it is!", ">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony." ]

[ "So the cop never saw a gun or never got a description of the shooter. He just saw a guy running away from the area and decided “he’s the shooter” and shoots him in the back. Great police work there bud.", ">\n\nguess we gotta start speed walking away from one of the 4 mass shooting per week", ">\n\nstay in the area and get shot by an active shooter or run away from the area and get shot by the police\nsuch is life in the USA", ">\n\nOr stop the mass shooter and get killed by the cops as they arrive", ">\n\nOr escape from the killer...run to the cops for help and get gunned down as soon as they see you", ">\n\nOr escape from everything, get a dog, settle into a life with your trauma being managed then have your dog shot by the cops for being three yards over from the guy who's being delivered a court order", ">\n\nOr be in traffic when cops surround a nearby delivery truck and fire blindly, killing the driver and shooting several of the civilians they were using as cover", ">\n\nGuys GUYS, remember... \"This was an isolated incident.\" Nothing to see here. Or here. Or over here. Keep them eyes shut.", ">\n\nJust a few bad apples.", ">\n\nJesus Christ THEY got arrested that is so fucked up", ">\n\nThey’re lucky to only have been arrested for knocking on a door. Which I guess is a crime. Could’ve been much worse.", ">\n\nYou mean lucky they got arrested for being shot at. The absolute nerve of them! Being on the receiving end of all those bullets, the audacity!", ">\n\nIt’s so gross. How do these pigs look themselves in the mirror everyday and tell themselves “I’m the good guy?”. It’s shocking", ">\n\nI think deep down they know they're all pieces of shit but don't care.", ">\n\nI think if they let us allocate where our tax dollars actually went, like a little list with checkboxes, they’d be shocked that we would indeed “defund the police” and probably the military to some degree and education would probably get 10x the funding leading to a well educated population that would most likely require a lot less “policing”. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThat title is a gross understatement of what actually happened.\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\nPlatkin said the person did not have a gun in his possession or within reach. A firearm was found near the site of the shooting, according to the charging document, but Platkin said there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking it to the man.\n\nThat guy wasn't a criminal, just running away after hearing gun-shots and the officer didn't even warn him. Just started chasing and shot him.", ">\n\nCool, so you can’t even run from gunshots without an agent of the state deciding to shoot you.", ">\n\nIt would seem that there are no longer any measurable criteria. The decision whether or not to shoot is entirely arbitrary.", ">\n\nCop is afraid = cops shoot. \nOh and cops are afraid of EVERYTHING.", ">\n\nCops are the biggest pussies. Anyone remember how LAPD shot round after round at two tiny Asian women because they were scared that they might be one big black dude?", ">\n\nTwo small ladies in a grey Dodge single cab, because they might be a big black man in a blue Toyota crew cab ...\nAnd they were ruled justified.", ">\n\nAnd that was just one of two completely different trucks police shot up during the Dorner fiasco. The other driver was at least a man, but he was cleared by one officer, and drove down the road a little bit. A different officer then rammed his pickup and opened fire, with several other officers joining in. Fortunately they missed the driver, unlike the two old ladies who were shot and injured.\nThese officers also faced no consequences.", ">\n\nThe US really needs a federal minimum hiring and training requirement for police officers across the board for every state. There is zero reason why there needs to be a ten week police academy in some states yet a 6 month one in others. It would weed out some of these issues.", ">\n\nIf I had to go to school for 4 years just to fucking use excel and work with numbers, 10 weeks/6 months is not enough fucking time to spit out a cop who can literally end lives whenever they want (apparently). They should also be going to a 4 year school, learning psychology, law, as well as anything pertaining to being an officer of the law.", ">\n\nSome departments require bachelor's degrees. They also pay jack shit.\nThe issue isn't so much the quantity of training they receive. It has a lot more to do with the mentality and perspective they are taught. Not to mention all the copaganda they were raised on. They actually believe they are heroes. \nHell, I know a lot of people who think cops are heroes, mainly because of their portrayal in the media.", ">\n\nJack shit? What's the lowest pay, because it seems like police salaries start at $90k", ">\n\nDepends entirely on the state/city. Some pay extremely well, others pay shit. Out of curiosity I looked up the city in this news story, Paterson New Jersey, their pay is awful. They start at $33,800. That's $16.25 an hour. I don't know what the cost of living is there, but there is no way that is a good wage.", ">\n\n\nTotal pay: $117,001\n\nDamn! I should change professions. That's more than double my pay.", ">\n\n\n\"During a short foot chase, there came a time when Officer Moravek believed his life and the life of other people in the street was at risk. He believed at that split-second that the person he was chasing was turning to fire that handgun at him and he realized that if he missed, the bullets could strike anyone nearby,\" the statement read.\n\nWhat actually happened: the cop tried to give chase but after 100 ft he got tired and just shot the person running and then made up all that shit about being \"afraid for his life and the safety of others\" because that's the cheat code cops use to avoid scrutiny.", ">\n\nDidn’t avoid it this time. I really hope the accountability continues to go up. I feel like we are seeing some rare moments in police accountability. It’s really just scratching the surface, but it’s way more than we’ve seen the past few years.", ">\n\nThis is the one positive take-away for me. The cop was investigated and is being charged. All of which is the result of new policies put in place of 2020 requiring stricter scrutiny in the review of officer shootings. \nBaby steps are frustrating, but progress is nonetheless progress.", ">\n\nCharged with a slap on the wrist.", ">\n\nPotentially multiple 10-year prison sentences", ">\n\n“In Paterson that’s just the way things go\nIf you’re black\nYou might as well not show up on the street\nUnless you wanna draw the heat.”\nSome things never change. Damn.", ">\n\nBotham and Breonna showed that even staying home doesn't help sometimes", ">\n\nWhen protecting people means you gotta just, you know, just get out there and kill ‘em, you know? How can we protect people if we don’t shoot them? Can’t be done. We gotta.\nObligatory /s", ">\n\nCops don't protect people. Cops don't protect people. How many times do I have to beat this drum? COPS DON'T PROTECT PEOPLE.\nThey are enforcers, not protectors.", ">\n\nDisagree, they protect themselves very well, and only them.", ">\n\nReminds me of how at uvalde one of the cops was talking shit about the parents whose kids were being killed being barred from entry by the police by saying if it was their kid they would have gone in.\nEdit*added some context", ">\n\nThat's fucking gross. Because they're not his own kids, he doesn't care?\nOne parent did go in, and the cops tried to stop her.", ">\n\nA few cops went off to get their own kids out of the class. They didn't alert them or anything, just went in, got them, and left. They'd only find out later that the police basically left them to their potential death.", ">\n\n\nThe charges stem from a June 2022 incident in which Moravek saw the victim, who is not identified in the charging documents, run past him soon after hearing gunshots. Moravek shouted for the person to drop the gun before firing, striking him in the back.\n\nSo the cop hears gunshots, then sees someone running, and jumps to the conclusion of \"Hey, this must have been the guy with the gun\" and doesn't even consider that it might have been the guy getting shot at.", ">\n\nOr someone who just heard shots and wanted to be far away from the situation.", ">\n\nNot every cop needs a gun, they use it like hammer and everyone is a nail.", ">\n\nNew Jersean here. Some fucking idiot cop told my coworker that she's \"lucky he didn't come in guns blazing\" because she accidentally set the alarm off. Just wow, dude, you'll be the next one on the news", ">\n\nPaterson is a city over 160k in population with a super corrupt police department overseen by the the county, state and federal agencies due to repeated misconduct.", ">\n\nI’m happy to see cops getting charged.", ">\n\nNJ is pretty good about holding police accountable relative to other states. When incidents do occur it feels like its almost always Paterson PD.\nOn the other hand, Paterson PD was the subject of some iconic episodes of COPS.", ">\n\nSome guy is running away from gunshots and the cop shoots him? You can't make this shit up. You fucking can't. \nI'm a software engineer. I had to get a degree (Applied Math). It took me 5.5 years (money issues). My studies included classes designed to weed people out.\nIf the system is designed to weed out people unqualified to program computers, why isn't it designed to weed out people who are unqualifed to shoot, taze, mace and detain people?", ">\n\nThe police academies and hiring process are actually going to weed out the competent ones, because they'll be the ones trying to 'fix the system'. Can't have them rocking the boat, you see.", ">\n\nFuck that police agent, he heard a gunshot and shot at the first person he saw running... \nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire, maybe he called for an ambulance afterward but he is not suppose to shoot on sight like this", ">\n\n\nIt could have been anyone running away from the gunfire\n\nIt was!", ">\n\nHow about convicted? When do we get to see a headline that says \"officer convicted\"?", ">\n\nGood. I'd be charged if someone broke into my home and I shot them in the back as they fled. Why am I, a citizen, expected to be held to a higher standard than a trained law enforcement officer?", ">\n\nIt’s always strange when they say “allegedly shooting” in a situation where someone definitely got shot and no one is disputing who did the shooting.", ">\n\nIt’s basically to avoid getting charged with libel or somehow tainting opinion of the public, containing potential jurors. It’s kind of a blanket statement so that reporters don’t screw themselves or their employers.", ">\n\nYeah but they only do that for police. \n\"A suspect was struct by gun fire in their apprehension\" is one headline\n\"Officer shot by black man\" is what the headline would be if the roles were reversed.", ">\n\n\nMoravek's attorney, Patrick Caserta, said in a statement that his client had been falsely accused. He said the officer had a duty to pursue the person he thought had fired shots.\n\nDuty to pursue? Sure, maybe, although seeing a person running from the sound of gunfire seems like a pretty fucking normal response. Duty to shoot in the back without cause or even a warning? Uh yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.", ">\n\nThings you shouldn't do during a shooting (or any violent crime, really), because if you do these things, the cops might kill you:\n\n\nShoot the shooter (aka be the \"good guy with a gun\")\n\n\nPick up the gun\n\n\nRun from the scene of the shooting \n\n\nHide from the assailant \n\n\nBe held hostage", ">\n\nFuck the way that the AP reports on police shootings. \"The police shot and killed the assailant. A 14-year-old girl was also struck and died.\" \nThe officer shot and killed two people. Just fucking report it that way.", ">\n\nSo many comments saying that cops need more training are missing the point: The training IS the problem.\n“The most effective way to stop someone is to fire a bullet into his central nervous system. It is up to God and the paramedics as to whether the man dies. Your job is to stop the deadly threat, and the most effective way to do that is to make the threat die.”\n“Any natural or learned resistance to killing, any sense of the sanctity of human life, any human emotions, any remorse or compassion at the moment of truth can all be overcome and overwhelmed with training,”\nThese are quotes from the training that a huge number of police departments use. Just google: ”Dave Grossman\"", ">\n\nHere's a different approach\nDepending on locale, it take 6 month of academy time to become a cop in the US.\nIn the UK, its 3 years. \nFrance, 1 year for a basic officer. You go back to school for Inspector or Gendarmerie.\nSpain, 1 year of academy and 1 year of on-the-job for 'Guardia Civil'\nGermany, 21 month Theoretical training and 15 months Practical training.\nItaly, 4 years of university level training \n​\nWhat I think is that they need more training. The 6 months just aint caracking it.", ">\n\nIt's almost like decades of indoctrinating police into a mentality of \"us versus them\" and creating an environment that imagines all citizens as dangerous terrorists has made police fearful and prone to exacerbating fight or flight reactions in non hostile situations.", ">\n\nLegalities aside, when did it become ok to be a fucking coward and shoot at people running? I see it as no different than the little shit bags that sucker punch people in the head from behind.", ">\n\nWhen the courts started telling them that they aren't going to get in any trouble for it.", ">\n\nFrom the article :\nVideo released from the incident shows Moravek asking the person he shot why he ran from him.\n\"I was scared. I don't have no gun, though\" he said.\nAn officer afraid for his life because a man is running away. This whole \"he didn't obey my command to stop\" is such bullshit. If he's not shooting at you or others HE IS NOT A THREAT. I guess we're lucky Mr. Policeman didn't shoot every bystander within earshot. Because clearly everyone is potentially armed and going to shoot to kill all policepersons! \nI'm guessing this was another incident of running while black. They didn't identify the victim though so we can't be sure...", ">\n\nShooting just the one bystander is bad enough.", ">\n\nYes it is!", ">\n\nCops are publicly subsidized mercenaries who protect wealthy people, the irony.", ">\n\nThey do the crime, we pay the fine" ]