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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!"
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow"
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People slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️ | [
"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\""
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️"
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!"
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Yeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things? | [
"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?"
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?"
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?",
">\n\nCan't wait to slam a Kalibr down his throat and deliver that payload."
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?",
">\n\nCan't wait to slam a Kalibr down his throat and deliver that payload.",
">\n\ni wanna slam op"
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?",
">\n\nCan't wait to slam a Kalibr down his throat and deliver that payload.",
">\n\ni wanna slam op",
">\n\nguys pls stop"
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?",
">\n\nCan't wait to slam a Kalibr down his throat and deliver that payload.",
">\n\ni wanna slam op",
">\n\nguys pls stop",
">\n\nOh Shit he “slammed” it. That’s serious."
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?",
">\n\nCan't wait to slam a Kalibr down his throat and deliver that payload.",
">\n\ni wanna slam op",
">\n\nguys pls stop",
">\n\nOh Shit he “slammed” it. That’s serious.",
">\n\nDo you think it's a single writer that works for many news outlets that always put \"someone SLAMS something\"! \"Greta SLAMS the bugatti guy in youtube video!\""
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"Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.",
">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.",
">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"",
">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.",
">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.",
">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative",
">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.",
">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.",
">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)",
">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.",
">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...",
">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.",
">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.",
">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border",
">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)",
">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!",
">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?",
">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.",
">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.",
">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.",
">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition",
">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.",
">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military",
">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.",
">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"",
">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds",
">\n\nI got that reference.",
">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!",
">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.",
">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin",
">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..",
">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.",
">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.",
">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.",
">\n\nSuck it, suka.",
">\n\nFuck this guy",
">\n\nWe don’t say it enough",
">\n\nHow could we?",
">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me",
">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.",
">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"",
">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.",
">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.",
">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant",
">\n\nGood. The psychopath wasn’t counting on this.",
">\n\nevery day, threats threats threats from russian leaders….”the west will pay for this”…..”the west is in severe trouble”…..we will do this and that bla bla bla against the west who is responsible for this war(?!). And yet, their shitty f*** up army cant even take it with Ukraine. Try it with Nato please, within days russhittia will be bombed back to the stone age.",
">\n\nTry not interfering with our elections or attempting to hack our servers and we might not be quite as enthusiastic about sending billions of dollars of equipment over. Did Puti think the US was just going to take his shit and not retaliate at our first chance. If he didn't see this coming he is a complete fucking moron.",
">\n\nOoooh he slammed it did he? If someone makes a website that links to every news article that has slam in the title I’ll DoorDash you dinner.",
">\n\nTerrorist with cancer says what?",
">\n\nTo retread an old joke, \"In Putin's Russia, Western arms slam you.\"",
">\n\nSimple solution. Remove your military from Ukraine and bullets will stop hitting you where it hurts.",
">\n\nCry harder about it bitch",
">\n\nTranslation. “I’m getting scared shitless now”.",
">\n\nHe made these comments from the back of his dragula.",
">\n\nShut up, ya big nazi baby.",
">\n\nPutin's tears must have anti-depressant effects. I can barely contain my laughter at the thought of a pouty Putin .",
">\n\nYou gonna cry, gonna piss your pants? Shit and cum",
">\n\nDeal with it you genocidal maniac.",
">\n\nBack when there was this war for independence in what became the United States, we had a lot of help from other countries, financially, with weapons, etc. We owed a lot of money when we finally won. Mind, we were on a different continent, nobody had jets or drones, and the war went on for seven years.",
">\n\nI don't read any article that says \n\nSlams \n\nJust pick up a god damn thesaurus",
">\n\nI always have a laugh when an article has \"slams\" in it. Even 3 of the top 4 comments have slam in them, it cracks me up lol",
">\n\nRussian leadership really fucked up and continues to whine like the bitches they are. Fuck Russia",
">\n\nSo he’s angry the world isn’t just letting him have Ukraine. He can go dig a hole.",
">\n\n*Rapist angry that helpful Samaritans give weapons to people he's trying to rape.*\n\nBoo hoo. Fuck off back to Russia.",
">\n\n“Why won’t they just let me conquer my neighbors!?! It was so much easier with Trump!”",
">\n\nShouldn't have invaded.",
">\n\nGet out of the kitchen Putin",
">\n\nYes, the brutal dictator “slams” The west for preventing his illegal invasion’s success, harming his ability to commit genocide, etc. Or you could say he responds, criticizes, or even use an actual quote. But no, he slams it. The headline write is bad and should feel bad.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nGood, they’re working.",
">\n\nIf he hates it, it must be good.",
">\n\nWell I’m glad A few countries are giving main battle tank’s now. Hopefully the US will follow suit and send them tons of Abrams tanks, it’s not like we can’t afford it.",
">\n\nWe can afford it were just trying to stay just clear of the line where Russia says that the USA is actively involved in war with Russia, because the gloves will come off on both sides if that happens and it won't be pretty",
">\n\nRussias gloves are off, most fingers are broken and when a fraction of NATOs supply of last gen tanks and IFVs arrive the wrists will go too. \nAnd here is the obligatory Russia has nukes. Which they could use, and kill themselves and most of the world so they won’t.",
">\n\nMeans it's working.",
">\n\nWhaaaaa, why won’t you let me win? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa…\nHurry up and piss off.",
">\n\nSomehow I think the west will weather this blistering insult.",
">\n\nExcellent. Lets send LOTS more.\nYes... yes... we feed off your tears, Vlad.",
">\n\nEverytime the crybaby starts bitching , we should send more",
">\n\nyo bump this small clown man",
">\n\nThere is a small man in Moscow, very angry and very jealous.",
">\n\nPutin is a DaftCunt",
">\n\nThis is great, instead of building military armaments to waste away in anticipation of possible Russian aggression we let the Ukrainians use it to kill Russians now, which also saves us money on military spending later.",
">\n\nProbably should be clear for Putin that the cost of victory will be far higher than anything he imagined. The West will not allow a repeat of Germany, and that is exactly how his actions are viewed.",
">\n\nOh, so inveding Ukraine was an example of non destructive politics?",
">\n\nThe only thing Putin should slam, is how own face. In that case he'd be hitting the person responsible.",
">\n\nRight on cue. Havent had a good slam in a while.",
">\n\nStop saying slammed you lazy ass journalists",
">\n\nI honestly don't know why everyone keeps saying \"conflict.\" It's Russia's unprovoked war.",
">\n\nWell… leave Ukraine, fuckwit…",
">\n\nWe are one step away from titles like \" Putin DESTROYS western arms shipments to Ukraine with FACTS and LOGIC !!!11\"",
">\n\nHuh. \"Slams\" really is just the word they use in headlines to sound imposing but mean nothing now, isn't it",
">\n\n\"Quit helping them not die\"",
">\n\nEvil Invading Murderous Dictator doesn’t approve of minimal efforts to support the country he invaded…aww, that’s so cute. /s",
">\n\nimage above is just missing clown costume",
">\n\nIs this any different than how it's always been done? Hasn't China or Russia always been arming our enemies every time we start a stupid fight?",
">\n\nOoh he's got the slamming stage. Things are serious now.",
">\n\nKeep slamming your big desk, little man. Soon the tanks will be slamming your orks.",
">\n\nI hate how the word slam is being overused. Bitch Putin can cry all he wants from the weapons deliveries.",
">\n\nWhat ya gonna do bout it pooty",
">\n\nCan’t he just go away? The world has had enough of him.",
">\n\nIsn’t this a great time for the US to sell off some military goods after their long ass unwarranted war in the Middle East? Or is it just always a good time to sell off war toys? Either way, I’m confused where Putin thought no one else would get involved.",
">\n\nBecause we didn't when he invaded the last 2-3 small former Soviet Bloc countries.",
">\n\nThis is much larger scale though right? Nothing has been quite as disruptive as this invasion. Isn’t it considered the biggest war in Europe since WWII? Or do you think the scale of it doesn’t matter since previous attempts have been ignored by other countries?",
">\n\nI don't see where the size of the conflict has anything to do with your original question.",
">\n\nSorry I’m trying to learn more. I’m bouncing off what you said. Size has a lot to do with how much attention is brought on the conflict. Putin going creating a bigger conflict has a chance to gain more interest from other countries. Hence me asking why he thought no one else would be involved. Pretty sure that’s a great way to connect my original question and this one. Don’t answer it if you don’t want to.",
">\n\nPopular theory is that Putin fell into the \"Dictator's Trap\" where he had surrounded himself with yes men & really thought that the people of Ukraine would welcome them with open arms.\nThe Russian brass brought parade dress for the initial invasion, remember?",
">\n\nPutin is in a pretty big pickle.",
">\n\nNothing makes me happier than seeing the evil, incontinent, bastard having a conniption. Good times.",
">\n\nAgain Putin can choose to build a huge very very sophisticated fence around ruzzia!! I’m sure 116,000 ruzzian soldiers he chose to send to die, could have guarded it!!! Instead he single-handedly fucked ruZzian for a few generations to come, on every possible level. But again, I’m not Ruzzian, maybe that was the plan all along and 140 million there want it, no wonder they are quiet and show nothing but support for him! Some are super active on social media, with comments & concerns & criticism about every country and government…..but their own! If only they would dedicate all the time to mother ruZzia!",
">\n\nDie mad.",
">\n\nSlamssssss",
">\n\nI’m so tired of “slams” in articles amounting to a schoolyard bully delivering a vague and flaccid “we saw off Google that you want to help Ukraine. That’s a no no! No interfering with our war! It’s not a war! It’s a special military operation! Stop ittttttt.”\nIt’s the equivalent of “yeah girl I’m gonna make you see fireworks in bed!” then two pumps, done, collapses. Unsatisfying and went nowhere.\nStop saying “slammed,” slams have impact.",
">\n\n\"Whines\" or \"Bemoans\" would be better wording.",
">\n\nRussia is pathetic, just like this little tiny angry man.",
">\n\nI mean our friend and ally Ukraine asked for help, so, we're giving them help.\nPutin is free to ask for help from Russia's friends and allies, too.\nNo it's okay take all the time you need. I'm sure you have a long list to get through.",
">\n\nThat's the only way to stop Naziii 2.0 -putler. The world doesn't agree with Czar's master plan for the master race! Suck it up butter cup. \nDeclare victory and exit stage east... or suffer the fate of the frog in the boiling pot.",
">\n\nYou know what would stop those arms deliveries? If you got the fuck out.",
">\n\nSoooo.... what's his plan to stop it?",
">\n\nWell there is a simple solution to get the arms delivery to stop..........Get out and stay out.",
">\n\nThe best part of all of this is how Eastern Russia is getting dismantled and assimilated by the Chinese as we speak. They're annexing it by cash flow vs. by military force. Watch the maps get redrawn in the near future.",
">\n\nCan he just fall out of a window already?",
">\n\nRemember not so long ago, Putin was paying out bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan.",
">\n\nCope, fascist.",
">\n\nHow can he slam?!",
">\n\nSo what? What is Putin going to do? Invade us too? I dare him.",
">\n\nHe can slam the west as much as he likes, he’ll die before Russia wins. Putin wants a return to the USSR, but he’s just making himself look like a LUSSR on the world stage.",
">\n\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nLet the boys be boys\nSlam, da duh duh, da duh duh\nMake noise b-boys",
">\n\nWhatever Putin whines about, keep doing it and then some more.",
">\n\nFuck Putin",
">\n\nDid he \"slam\" it or did he \"bash\" it?",
">\n\nWe slam the invasion.",
">\n\nBut I was told the west was running out of weapons.",
">\n\nThat is propaganda to justify potentially dropping aid or increasing military spending. Things like ammunition stores will almost never be truthfully reported because of their strategic importance. Announcements like that almost always have ulterior motives.\nThe U. S. Has been stockpiling munitions since the height of the Cold War and plans to be capable of fighting the whole world simultaneously if necessary. I'm sure the cheap and easy stuff is probably running low but not the supply generally.",
">\n\nOh I know. It's hilariously bad propaganda at that.",
">\n\nWoops missed the sarcasm in text",
">\n\nSays the man who gets Middle Eastern Arms to attack civilians",
">\n\nI mean, I'd be annoyed if my top-end gear was getting fucked by some couple-decades old mothballed equipment from the Pentagon's shed. It means that there is a larger gulf of power than my cronies told me",
">\n\nSlam away bub, it’s gonna be jets soon",
">\n\nNo Way! He SLAMMED Them!",
">\n\nI know, it's such a toothless term.",
">\n\nI don't care what anyone says about nukes and all that - seeing russians and putin pissed is hilarious and I hope he gets more slaps in the face in the future.",
">\n\nI feel bad for Ukraine. They've been fighting better than anyone thought they would, for a year. They've been asking for these weapon systems since day 1. Western leaders were too scared to send at first. They've been running offensive operations for months in lightly armoured vehicles.\nAnd Russia is a slow moving beast that underestimated Ukraine, but they have the will and equipment for a long fight, calling up massive reserves, pivoting the society to prepare for a long war.\nBut everyone on the side lines just wants to point and laugh at Russia.\nHow does that help Ukraine? Most conflicts Russia gets in, they have obvious failures, take punishment and eventually grind down their opponents. (Chechnya,Georgia,Nazis)\nPointing and laughing at Russia right now and telling everyone \"our weapons\" are winning this war, praising our \"years of cold war prep\" is crazy.\nUkraine should be appreciated for standing up to Russia when the rest of Europe wouldn't, they should be appreciated for fighting a very tough enemy out gunned.\nThe top comments in here worshiping NATO and it's hardware, and ridiculing Russia's military misses the magnitude of what's going on I think . Rant over.",
">\n\nI think you mean admired rather than appreciated. Putin should be ridiculed for his hypocrisy.",
">\n\nI wish he'd slam his dick in a car door...",
">\n\nSo leave you invading piece of garbage",
">\n\nMan something is really really wrong with the small man.",
">\n\nOf course Iran, North Korea, Syrian, Venezuelan arms, equipment and personnel are OK if they go to the right side of the conflict, right?",
">\n\nShame",
">\n\n😭🇷🇺❄",
">\n\nnyet nyet nyet nyet nyet der'mo Blyad' nyet",
">\n\nWhile Putin’s private dogs, pillage, rape and murder all over the world. It’s all bullshit.",
">\n\nCan the ass cancer take him already? Pls",
">\n\nAh, what a good soul Putin is, wanting to halt arms deliveries so he can murder and enslave Ukrainians.",
">\n\n🥱",
">\n\nWe could do it again tomorrow if you’d like!",
">\n\nBut the rest of the world is ALWAYS allowed to sell weapons to counties. Currently we're selling them for IOU notes",
">\n\nSlam away asshole",
">\n\nHahaha wow, my negative respect for the guy just keeps dropping. \"How dare you fight back and how dare you have allies!\"",
">\n\nPukein can get fucked.",
">\n\nNot gonna nuke anyone over it like he threatened though. So I guess just keep sending shit.",
">\n\nOh well. You asked for war, this is what you get.",
">\n\nWish the us would give ukraine a few Abraham's and f22 already.",
">\n\nGood, it means the arms deliveries are working.",
">\n\nI feel like some countries are doing this just to make Putin cry and moan. Keep it up",
">\n\nHe's losing the war and he knows it. Anything that continues that trend would be a bad thing for russia.... and it is a bad thing for russia. They are fighting a losing battle and when they finally lose... it will have cost them everything.",
">\n\nI’ve never rooted for cancer before, but m willing to make an exception in his case…",
">\n\nLike Brezshnev giving up on Reagan’s arms buildup?",
">\n\nAww, pobrecito!",
">\n\n“Slams”. Okay sure, more whines that his unlawful war isn’t going well. Is probably more accurate.",
">\n\nBlah, Blah.. and Blah🤷♀️",
">\n\nOh really? You and what army?",
">\n\nSlam",
">\n\nAnd this is why he is actually completely impotent.\nLike, presumably he can fire ze missiles and end the world. Ok, great? He loses too. There is no russia anymore, and if anyone remembers name, it will be as the most hated human who ever lived.\nSo what's not a real option, what else can he do?\nAttack NATO with conventional forces, and get absolutely dunked on? That's probably even worse. I guess upside is.. you can still end the world at any point to make the humiliation end?\nWe should be pursuing a strategy of maximum humiliation. There's literally nothing he can do about it.",
">\n\nWe got to a line, where you just can't stop anymore. England is shipping 14 Tanks and let say UA get's 30 Tanks, but they need 600 of them. \nI am interested when are we going to send them 600 tanks. When? Because it has to be sent. You don't get the feeling that ruzzia will go to that line and stop.",
">\n\nMaybe stop slaughtering civilians and committing other war crimes and the west will be less motivated to support Ukraine. Putin is such a stereotypical abuser",
">\n\nPutin is like narcissism incarnate and his shitty country suffers the same mental illness.",
">\n\nWhat else is new? This motherf$&ker is the f&$king looser",
">\n\nOh my god, he slammed the arms deliveries?! Are they alright?!",
">\n\nPerhaps he can import advanced weapons from, well, Siberia?",
">\n\nYou send more bodies to Ukraine and the west will send more meat grinders!",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure western arms deliveries are slamming Putin harder",
">\n\nI really want a video of him stomping his feet",
">\n\nWe are merely a simple and humble weapons supplier. Just like Iran and N. Korea are your weapons suppliers.",
">\n\nSomeone should donate $1 to Ukraine everytime a headline says \"slams\", this war would be over by spring.",
">\n\nBoohoo pootin",
">\n\nPutin getting slammed by Wedtern arms deliveries.",
">\n\nSlam! slam! slam! slam! You world leaders better keep it down! I can't sleep with all this slamming!",
">\n\nHe should just be thankful that he didn’t invade the Baltics instead of Ukraine. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and trying to invade them would invoke Article 5 and NATO would have unleashed the wrath of god.",
">\n\nIs this really news at this point?",
">\n\nHe doesn’t like the people he’s bullying being given a fighting chance at defending themselves. Weird.",
">\n\nactions ask for reactions, better think twice before turning terrorist.",
">\n\nHe's like a rapist complaining that a woman he was trying to rape dared to kick him in the balls and call the police.",
">\n\nWhat did anyone else expect? To embrace these weapons with firecrackers and balloons? No shit!",
">\n\nAnd…? What is the point?",
">\n\nWe'll stop giving arms when you stop throwing an ever increasing amount of meat shields at the Ukrainians.",
">\n\nAnd welcome to the jam",
">\n\nGood. Send even more.",
">\n\nHe’s starting to Worry Now , Pig",
">\n\nGotta blame somebody",
">\n\nWell maybe he should take the hint and fuck off then……",
">\n\nOh fuck…he slammed it",
">\n\nPutin loves basketball!!",
">\n\nPutin should slam his head into a grinder.",
">\n\nof course he does, he was getting his ass handed to him before the increase.",
">\n\nWhat do they say to Russians in Russia on why this war is necessary?",
">\n\nAfaik regarding propaganda: In Ucraine there is a \"Satanic Nazi Regime\" which needs to be destroyed to save Russia (or the World?)",
">\n\nThank you.",
">\n\nI wonder if we have any Grand Slams left so we can properly slam Putins \"arms deliveries\" to Ukraine.",
">\n\nBREAKING NEWS; ANGRY MAN CONTINUES TO YELL AT THE SKY \nlike fucking anyways…….",
">\n\nAs he targets civilians.",
">\n\nFixed the headline: Liliputain cries like a scared bitch about Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.",
">\n\nSlammed? How about pissed and moaned.",
">\n\nThis is what the finding out phase of \"fuck around and find out\" looks like, Putin.",
">\n\nIs \"Putin if you don't want or like x just withdraw and stop the war\" going to become the new \"when do blind people know when to stop wiping\"? I feel like we've all got to say it at least once now.",
">\n\nOh no, another slam.",
">\n\nHey, you're screwing up my invasion!",
">\n\nCool, now fuck off from all of ukraine",
">\n\nAnother grand slam.",
">\n\nWhat was he expecting? He is free to gtfo from Ukraine.",
">\n\nThat's funny, because the western arms deliveries are about to slam him.",
">\n\nWe'll you can just build some decent weapons to counter what is being sent.....that's right your armament game is weak. Your stuff was field tested and its performance game was weak.\nPutin can slam all he wants to and it won't make a difference because on top of everything he's bad at his dick game is weak too.",
">\n\nWhat else could he say/do, though? Not like he's the one to apologize for the atrocities he committed because he can't get his hormones in check.",
">\n\nDoes anyone find it odd that Russia has been supplying weapons and training to be used against our service members, for decades, to our enemies? Yeah, me neither. Fuck him.",
">\n\nRedditor BLASTS Slams slams. Slams SLAM Blasts. Blast slams blasts BLAST.\nCan I be a journalist now?",
">\n\nPutin can slam my cock against the back of his throat.",
">\n\n\"I slam this.\"\n-Vladimir Putin",
">\n\nWe’ll keep supplying arms as long as Russia is putting their legs across the border.",
">\n\nCool. Now let's slam putin",
">\n\nWhy cause he’s losing and it makes him look weak. Good.",
">\n\nBoo hoo.",
">\n\nOh no! Combating \"russophobia\" makes people dislike Russia! Who knew?",
">\n\nOh no!!\nAnyway...",
">\n\n…because he’s running out of resources.",
">\n\nHa.. Kyiv has a destructive line...",
">\n\n\"We can destroy the west\". As you lose to an inferior opponent with the wests weapons.",
">\n\nThat’s it. Time to clap back with a statement of our own. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to this but…",
">\n\nPutin thinks he can play the entire world as if he were Fox News and we were all Trump supporters.",
">\n\nHe's welcome to withdraw all Russian forces from Ukraine anytime. Until then, he can go to hell.",
">\n\n\"stop helping the people I'm trying to murder\"",
">\n\nRussia is getting arms from other countries and that's okay, but Ukraine getting arms from other countries is a problem. Phuck you and your double standards! How about you withdraw your forces and leave Ukraine alone.",
">\n\nAwwww muffin...guess you shouldn't have started a war with the intent to enslave a sovereign country with future goals of expanding further into Europe.\nMaybe the west needs to worry less about Putler's feeling and Russia needs to worry more about what the consequences of their action will be if they don't change course!\nNow what else can we send!",
">\n\nThe world has to put Russia in their place faster and realize that they cannot fight their way out of this situation. And crying won't work either.",
">\n\nAll I can say is who cares. I'm having a hard time remembering the last time Putin said anything worth considering.",
">\n\nDon't screw with Jack Murphy!",
">\n\nOn other news, the sun will rise tomorrow",
">\n\n\"Man angry neighborhood is stepping in to stop him from robbing his next-door neighbor.\"",
">\n\nPeople slam Putin for stupid war and needless land grabs. 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nHow dare they not lose this war!",
">\n\nWhat about Iranian and North Korean arms deliveries to Russia?",
">\n\nYeah, slam that instead of working to become a good global trading partner, investing in economic development, investing in science and technology and basically not being a third-world thug. Can you imagine how rich Putin would be if he only would do the right things?",
">\n\nCan't wait to slam a Kalibr down his throat and deliver that payload.",
">\n\ni wanna slam op",
">\n\nguys pls stop",
">\n\nOh Shit he “slammed” it. That’s serious.",
">\n\nDo you think it's a single writer that works for many news outlets that always put \"someone SLAMS something\"! \"Greta SLAMS the bugatti guy in youtube video!\"",
">\n\nI wish we could stop using the term slam in news headlines."
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The UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.
He added: "If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation."
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.
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You are a king | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5"
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No, he is The King | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
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Some would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo. | [
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">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King"
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I dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo."
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A classic Xanatos gambit. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically."
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To this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship? | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit."
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I think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?"
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Hoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath"
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Almost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little."
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OK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al."
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What’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that! | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps."
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How do you know so much about swallows | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!"
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You have to know these things when you're a king, you know. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows"
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Dangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that… | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know."
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That will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.
Edit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…"
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I can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this."
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They'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the "home country" and "you know I'm 1/128th Scottish" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.
I mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else."
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The way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction."
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Which I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history.
Just seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.
Edit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria."
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An american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.
The issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home."
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Canada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from.
You don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable"
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Thank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves."
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Also has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers"
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Can someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery."
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Most people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.
From what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base."
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Leave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population."
] |
>
You joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts."
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Holy smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT! | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point."
] |
>
I mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.
That’s what the thigh highs are for | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!"
] |
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Grats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for"
] |
>
Gotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you."
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"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to "self-identify" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms." | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different."
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Cool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\""
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Bigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the "Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?" narrative. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms."
] |
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They don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative."
] |
>
Bullshit.
Actual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat."
] |
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The root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms."
] |
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The number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime."
] |
>
I'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero."
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20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes."
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Got to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out."
] |
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And then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way."
] |
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Even better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy."
] |
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How about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing."
] |
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Scotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better
UK: You just broke our number 1 rule | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead"
] |
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You realise Scotland is part of the UK right? | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule"
] |
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Tories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?"
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Maybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with "culture war" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there"
] |
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I’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives."
] |
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A customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break! | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live."
] |
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You should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!"
] |
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I guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse."
] |
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Many are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is."
] |
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This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)
The UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.
He added: "If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation."
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5 | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone."
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Why? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5"
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Ah yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living."
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I just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do"
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Because it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.
Anybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying "trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them" they get to pretend "Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children".
They're just "concerned" for other peoples "safety". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing."
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I have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them."
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Do you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing"
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It might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!). | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away."
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Panelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!)."
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Its the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea"
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As someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie? | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it."
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Tories about to get twatted in the face with a rake | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?"
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A complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions… | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake"
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Already seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…"
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It was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.
And Scotland was right alongside them when they did.
1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil."
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Reminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king"
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Shhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help."
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Can anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?
I'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly? | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire."
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The law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union.
This law whilst in theory "applies to scotland only", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.
The overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one
this is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?"
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Just to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim."
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3 years would be a substantial improvement.
We are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018
That's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.
Number of people on our waiting list: 11,407
Number of first appointments offered in the month: 50
That's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.
Number of referrals received in the month: 327
Every month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years."
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Every month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer
Please understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.
If people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?
If there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?
Again, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be."
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion."
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As a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.
I don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a "won't somebody think of the children!" argument used instead of real facts | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients."
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A bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK
what he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.
Compare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.
Get a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will "lose track" or "forgot to file it sorry hun" or "have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)
Be put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)
be asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.
Proceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans
somewhere in here fit in several years of "real world experience" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)
and after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.
also the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years.
No other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.
That is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts"
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what he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country"
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It’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed). | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it."
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Thanks' for the answer. :) I'm from Germany and knew that we still have a shitty law that is close to the one of the UK and and the Netherlands you need a doctor to approve of it. That's why I was asking. I also hope that the law will be changed in Germany soon. | [
"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it.",
">\n\nIt’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed)."
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"Transgender people who are going through the process to change their legal sex deserve our respect, support and understanding," he said.
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it.",
">\n\nIt’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed).",
">\n\nThanks' for the answer. :) I'm from Germany and knew that we still have a shitty law that is close to the one of the UK and and the Netherlands you need a doctor to approve of it. That's why I was asking. I also hope that the law will be changed in Germany soon."
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it.",
">\n\nIt’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed).",
">\n\nThanks' for the answer. :) I'm from Germany and knew that we still have a shitty law that is close to the one of the UK and and the Netherlands you need a doctor to approve of it. That's why I was asking. I also hope that the law will be changed in Germany soon.",
">\n\n\n\"Transgender people who are going through the process to change their legal sex deserve our respect, support and understanding,\" he said.\n\nThey mean gender?"
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it.",
">\n\nIt’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed).",
">\n\nThanks' for the answer. :) I'm from Germany and knew that we still have a shitty law that is close to the one of the UK and and the Netherlands you need a doctor to approve of it. That's why I was asking. I also hope that the law will be changed in Germany soon.",
">\n\n\n\"Transgender people who are going through the process to change their legal sex deserve our respect, support and understanding,\" he said.\n\nThey mean gender?",
">\n\nNope they want to change how their sex is registered in the system."
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it.",
">\n\nIt’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed).",
">\n\nThanks' for the answer. :) I'm from Germany and knew that we still have a shitty law that is close to the one of the UK and and the Netherlands you need a doctor to approve of it. That's why I was asking. I also hope that the law will be changed in Germany soon.",
">\n\n\n\"Transgender people who are going through the process to change their legal sex deserve our respect, support and understanding,\" he said.\n\nThey mean gender?",
">\n\nNope they want to change how their sex is registered in the system.",
">\n\nI thought everyone was agreeing that sex and gender were different."
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"This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nYou are a king",
">\n\nNo, he is The King",
">\n\nSome would suspect that Sturgeon knew this would happen, giving more weight to independence calls. I don't think that is the case imo.",
">\n\nI dont think she wanted it to happen, but she also knew that it could benefit the Independence movement. If Westminster tried to block the bill it would potentially help both the Independence movement AND trans people in Scotland, while if Westminster let the bill pass it would benefit trans people in Scotland. Either way its a benefit from Sturgeon's position. It was the right move both morally and politically.",
">\n\nA classic Xanatos gambit.",
">\n\nTo this day I still don't understand what he wanted with the gargoyles. He brought them back just to take down that airship?",
">\n\nI think he just wanted counselor troi and couldn't deal that she had been with goliath",
">\n\nHoooooly shit, was that Jonathan Frakes? I always wondered why he was such a comforting villain when I was little.",
">\n\nAlmost the entire Gargoyles voice cast was made up of Star Trek actors, Worf, Janeway, Data, et al.",
">\n\nOK now I’m just gonna have to watch the show so I can hear my Star Trek peeps.",
">\n\nWhat’s your gender? Scottish! Denied! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don’t know that!",
">\n\nHow do you know so much about swallows",
">\n\nYou have to know these things when you're a king, you know.",
">\n\nDangerous game Sunak, seems we’ve moved on from the “Scotland is a valued part of this union and we’d hate to see you leave” line to “Scotland, know your place.” And people don’t tend to respond well to being told that…",
">\n\nThat will only work if the Scottish people like Trans people more than their English counterparts. We can only hope.\nEdit: Just want to thank everyone who responded. I appreciate being reassured about this.",
">\n\nI can guarantee you that the Scottish like being told what to do by the English less than just about anything else.",
">\n\nThey'd probably rather be surrounded by Americans badly imitating their accents while loudly talking about visiting the \"home country\" and \"you know I'm 1/128th Scottish\" and asking what clan everybody's in, than be told what to do by the English.\nI mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but history seems to point that direction.",
">\n\nThe way this post is 99.9999% how the A.A. side of my family act when they visit Nigeria.",
">\n\nWhich I don’t get why anyone is hating on people being excited about going back to where their ancestors came from and finding out more about your history. \nJust seems like a way to hate on America. I’m Canadian and we love going to Scotland and Ireland to trace our ancestry. I went to Wales just for that. And I get that it can be annoying since they are tourists visiting where you live because to you it’s just home but to them it’s all new and so so cool.\nEdit- and most southern African Americans know zero about their heritage since you know slavery so come on, let’s be excited about people going back home.",
">\n\nAn american woman once told me she was scottish. When I asked her where abouts in Scotland she was from, she told me that she had never actually been there, but she proudly told me that her great grandfather was born in Scotland. She didn't know the town. She just knew it was somewhere.\nThe issue is American's love to cling to any kind of heiritage they can. It's like they can't be satisfied that they grew up in the wealthiest country in the world and are desperate to come from somewhere else to mske them sound more interesting. It doesn't particularly bother me, but an american telling me they are Scottish without even stepping foot in Scotland is laughable",
">\n\nCanada and the United States are a country of immigrants, everyone who came here left their home and roots. So even if they don’t know about their heritage since most of it is lost and forgotten and not passed down they are trying to find out who they are and where they come from. \nYou don’t get it because you live where you always lived and that’s fine but I just like to see people enjoy cool and have fun and maybe find out more about themselves.",
">\n\nThank God that in the midst of worldwide economic and political crisis the Tories are dealing with the real problem: Scottish trans teenagers",
">\n\nAlso has no affect on anything medically at all which a lot of people seem to be bringing up in opposition to this. This does not change any requirements for hormones, puberty blockers or surgery.",
">\n\nCan someone explain why some people feel so strongly about this, all the same? This is one of the very few issues I can remember that has generated dissent within the parliamentary SNP so there has to be more to it than a short term Tory play to their base.",
">\n\nMost people I've spoken to about this specifically misunderstand the point I've made above. They seem to think that this bill offers sweeping changes that allow 16 year olds to go through surgery, and hormones, and puberty blockers which isn't at all the case.\nFrom what I can tell this bill has some serious quality of life changes for trans people but actually nothing that will change the lives at all of the vast majority of the population.",
">\n\nLeave it to the English to try to enforce gender standards on a nation of men in skirts.",
">\n\nYou joke but the very fact that there is such a perfect uniform/outfit(?) for those wanting to support trans rights whilst also supporting Scottish independence means that this could well be the turning point.",
">\n\nHoly smokes, a pink/blue/white trans tartan would be PERFECT!",
">\n\nI mean, I agree with you here. I’m Trans and half Scottish. I wouldn’t wear a kilt as I associate it more with men. Plus as I believe my clan is armigerous it’s a moot point. But if I did wear Tartan I’d wear it as a source of pride not as a source of my gender identity.\nThat’s what the thigh highs are for",
">\n\nGrats England you just helped forward the Scottish independence movement and also probably got conservative Scots more on the side of trans people just to spite you.",
">\n\nGotta love how many people unite against Imperialism, even if they're all different.",
">\n\n\"critics of the plans are worried that allowing anyone to \"self-identify\" as a woman could impact on women's rights and access to single-sex spaces like refuges and changing rooms.\"",
">\n\nCool, let's instead put trans men in women's changing rooms and bathrooms.",
">\n\nBigots love to forget that trans men exist because they ruin the \"Won't someone think of the women and children's safety?!?\" narrative.",
">\n\nThey don't forget. They just don't see them as a threat.",
">\n\nBullshit. \nActual transitioned transmen are never allowed into women's changing rooms or bathrooms.",
">\n\nThe root of all evil is in the penis. Once you have one, you're worthy of fear as a potential predator; whether you were born with it or not is irrelevant. That's why no woman has ever been convicted of a violent or sexual crime.",
">\n\nThe number is very little in comparison, but it's not zero.",
">\n\nI'm going to assume there is a degree of sarcasm in the comment you replied to, considering plenty of women have been convicted of violent crimes.",
">\n\n20 points behind in the polls, the Tories have resigned to losing the next election, so they're torching the economy, the union and our civil liberties as they go out.",
">\n\nGot to leave a shit show for the next guy it's the gubments way.",
">\n\nAnd then blame that government for the shit show to win at the next election. A tactic as old as democracy.",
">\n\nEven better if it's a female leader. They don't call it a glass cliff for nothing.",
">\n\nHow about blocking the UK government's anti strike bill instead",
">\n\nScotland: Hey we want to make the lives of our people slightly better\nUK: You just broke our number 1 rule",
">\n\nYou realise Scotland is part of the UK right?",
">\n\nTories suddenly feel like governing the second they can do performative politics instead of, oh, I don't know, pushing fantastic policies that destroy their economy and respect. Oh wait, they do that too. Fucking JK Rowling land over there",
">\n\nMaybe this is a stupid American comment, but that really reminds me of republicans. It seems there is a trend in right wing politicians never doing anything usefull and instead filling their agenda with \"culture war\" bullshit. From what I've heard the UK has a CoL crisis, which you'd think they'd be busy with. Instead they would rather flaunt their bigotry and fuck over a tiny minority of people who are just trying to be happy and live their lives.",
">\n\nI’m sick of being a political tool. I’m just trying to live.",
">\n\nA customer complained about my trans husband using the men’s room at his place of work. He’s going to find out tomorrow if he’s going to be allowed to keep using the men’s room or if he’ll be forced to use the women’s, or… what. We live in FL so who knows. Shit sucks man, all he wanted was to take a piss on his lunch break!",
">\n\nYou should get out of FL if you can. The fascist regime there is only getting worse.",
">\n\nI guarantee you any trans person in Florida is well aware of what the score is.",
">\n\nMany are. Some aren't. More importantly, especially as this is r/worldnews, many people outside of the US aren't aware of how far down the path of fascism Florida has gone.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nThe UK government has decided to block a controversial Scottish bill designed to make it easier for people to change their legally recognised gender.\nHe added: \"If the Scottish government chooses to bring an amended bill back for reconsideration in the Scottish Parliament, I hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward that both respects devolution and the operation of UK Parliament legislation.\"\nScottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has argued there are no grounds for the UK government to challenge the legislation as it falls within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: bill^#1 Scottish^#2 law^#3 gender^#4 minister^#5",
">\n\nWhy? Honestly as humans we’ve lost sight of what life is about. Living.",
">\n\nAh yes the scots, well known for being compliant and deferential when the english tell them what to do",
">\n\nI just don’t know how people think that some people will pretend to be trans just to get into women’s spaces like bathrooms. There’s nothing stopping anyone from going in there except social convention, and pretty much no one is going to change their entire life to creep in women’s bathrooms. Plus, if anyone (trans or cis) is acting creepy in a bathroom, they can still be held accountable for it. They are making an issue out of nothing.",
">\n\nBecause it's not really about that at all. It's a disingenuous, nonsensical argument that's used because it invokes moral panic.\nAnybody who thinks about it for more than 10 seconds can recognize it makes no sense. But instead of saying \"trans people existing makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like them\" they get to pretend \"Oh no I just want to make sure people are safe from predators won't someone think of the women and children\".\nThey're just \"concerned\" for other peoples \"safety\". And if you don't agree, well obviously that's because you just don't care about peoples safety. You must be the real bad guy here not them.",
">\n\nI have no doubt that the politicians and leaders don't believe it, but the fact that it works on so many people is so depressing",
">\n\nDo you want the Scots to break away? Because this step 1 in forcing the Scots to break away.",
">\n\nIt might be, but it’s worth looking at the polling on this topic. Like the rest of the UK, the broad Scottish sentiment is in favour of more inclusivity, but polls that use specific wording for this bill (e.g. ‘do you support or oppose reducing the age at which a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16?) show a large majority against (or at least the ones that are in the Times do!).",
">\n\nPanelbase came to a similar conclusion; it seems Scots take issue more with the implementation rather then the basic idea",
">\n\nIts the same in the rest of the UK, despite Reddits opinion the English aren't like that Monkey Dust sketch about occupied oireland. The average Brit supports trans peoples rights to live their lives, they just also have concerns about protected womens spaces. Which is what the SNPs own advisors said, removing nearly all burden of proof that you're trans with no exceptions is not protecting trans people. Its handing power to transphobes who can now point to people abusing it.",
">\n\nAs someone who lives in a self id area, it doesn't make things worse for trans people. The women's spaces thing is based on a hypothetical that does not systemically happen. It's based on a lie. Why should trans people's lives be made worse based on a bigoted lie?",
">\n\nTories about to get twatted in the face with a rake",
">\n\nA complex topic that cuts across both reserved matters in UK-wide constitutional law and gender equality? This isn’t going to be one of Reddit’s best discussions…",
">\n\nAlready seeing it. 9 comments in and yours is the only one pointing out the conflict with national law. All the rest are knee jerk on Tories/English being evil.",
">\n\nIt was only 500 years ago that England stopped getting fucked by the rest of Europe and started to fuck other nations.\nAnd Scotland was right alongside them when they did.\n1000 years ago England was nearing being violently taken over by another non-English king",
">\n\nReminder that the union came about when the Scots bankrupted themselves with a colonial Ponzi scheme and had to turn to the English for help.",
">\n\nShhh, this is reddit. Scotland good. England bad. Let's just ignore that Scotland is trying to rewrite their role in the British Empire.",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why it is that the UK government is blocking a bill that was already debated and signed in Scotland?\nI'm Canadian, so I assumed that Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England were similar to provinces in that they had control over certain things (like education and health care), and the UK government handled the rest. What's going on exactly?",
">\n\nThe law comes into conflict with the UK-wide equalities law, for example allowing people to use the scottlish law to circumvent the rest of the union. \nThis law whilst in theory \"applies to scotland only\", someone from wales could move there, change genders, and then move back to wales, having totally ignored the legal framework for changing genders in wales.\nThe overarching concern on its impact for uk-wide policy and coming into conflict with existing humans rights laws is in my opinion a legitmate one\nthis is the first time in history this mechanism has been used to block a law, its not a decision that has been taken lightly or on a whim.",
">\n\nJust to add to this, the Gender Identity Clinic wait times in the UK (the first step) is averaging around 3 years.",
">\n\n3 years would be a substantial improvement.\n\nWe are currently offering first appointment to people who were referred in: January 2018\n\nThat's five years, but that's only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of people on our waiting list: 11,407\nNumber of first appointments offered in the month: 50\n\nThat's 19 years worth of wait list. If you are referred today you would be waiting about two decades for your appointment. Which is still only the start of the problem.\n\nNumber of referrals received in the month: 327\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer. Which is still only the start of the problem because even getting a referral is not as easy as it's legally required to be.",
">\n\n\nEvery month the waitlist gets six-and-a-half months longer\n\nPlease understand that I'm asking these questions to learn and understand, not to make a political point, and that I have no wish to offend anyone, and apologize in advance should that happen.\nIf people are being seen that were referred 5 years ago, and the waiting list grows by 6 months plus every month, is this due to a recent reduction in services available or an increase in demand?\nIf there is an increase in demand, what is driving the increase?\nAgain, I'm not making a point. I know very little about this issue, certainly not enough to form an informed opinion.",
">\n\nIt's primarily because the UK's gender clinic system is structurally opposed to the goal of efficiently providing healthcare for trans patients.",
">\n\nAs a kiwi that's moved over here, I can assure you the bathrooms are the same.\nI don't think the bathroom debate ever had any relation to reality. It's always been a \"won't somebody think of the children!\" argument used instead of real facts",
">\n\nA bit of context for those unfamiliar with the laws regarding trans peoplenin the UK\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\nCompare this with the law as is in the UK, the steps are as follows.\nGet a referal from your physician to a gender clinic (this is supposed to happen immediatly but many primary care doctors will \"lose track\" or \"forgot to file it sorry hun\" or \"have you considered just doing drag on the weekends?)\nBe put into the system at the gender care clinic (time will be mentioned later)\nbe asked dozens of extremely probing questions, many about how you masturbate because the people trained to do this sre going off an archaic model of being transgender that buffolo bill was based on, and answer/lie to their satisfaction because if you do not meet ehsts in their out of date notebook, they will mark you as not counting, restarting this.\nProceed to a psychological evaluation by at least two different shrinks who diagnose you with trans\nsomewhere in here fit in several years of \"real world experience\" living as your identified gender with precisly 0 medical aid (most trans people who transition medically usually start horomones while publically closeted so they'll pass better once they make the switch, anywayy throw that safety strategy out the window)\nand after all this, you can finally, finally be issued a gender recognition certificate, get horomones and most importantly do things you need government papers for such as get married or adopt.\nalso the wait time on the clinics is currently 24 years. \nNo other country does any of this like this. This whole process is easier in the bowels of texas provided you are an adult, and while in other ways its obviously worse, I don't think anywhere outside places that reckon being queer ought to be a felony outright is this beurocraticslly hostile.\nThat is what the law just passed in Scotland sought to rectify, and the order of things that lead westminster to veto Scotland for the first and only time since it got powers devolved to it over 25 fucking years ago.\nEngland is dog country",
">\n\n\nwhat he scots have done is basically changed to the system that everyone else uses, where to change the gender on your paperwork, you rock up to the relevant official, sign some paperwork promising you are being serious and this isn't in aid of any non gender related scheme, and you get on with your life.\n\nEveryone else? Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that there are many countries where they just take your word for it.",
">\n\nIt’s not “everywhere else” but there are quite a few places that do it this. From memory Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, and several Brazilian and Indian states. That is by no means an exhaustive list (I remember reading a statistic from a trans advocacy group saying that roughly 1/3 of the population of the planet lives in jurisdictions where this is the means of changing gender legally), and there are even more countries where this is becoming the case (again from memory legislation has been proposed in Canada and Germany but hasn’t yet passed).",
">\n\nThanks' for the answer. :) I'm from Germany and knew that we still have a shitty law that is close to the one of the UK and and the Netherlands you need a doctor to approve of it. That's why I was asking. I also hope that the law will be changed in Germany soon.",
">\n\n\n\"Transgender people who are going through the process to change their legal sex deserve our respect, support and understanding,\" he said.\n\nThey mean gender?",
">\n\nNope they want to change how their sex is registered in the system.",
">\n\nI thought everyone was agreeing that sex and gender were different.",
">\n\n....they are. There is a legal record of your sex made when you are born. There is no legal record of your gender."
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