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sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx69t8d | hx9suy4 | 1,645,020,562 | 1,645,074,584 | 6 | 8 | I don't currently do any drawing what so ever. I started drawing because I want to make cool web comics and had a specific quality of art I wanted to achieve. When I started drawing I found it very difficult to deal with how poor the quality of my art was, and that discouraged me quite a bit. I would say lowering expectations is important but not too lower your goal just means it might take you a bit longer than you think to reach it. It' s like you wanting a great body but expecting to be in shape by the end of the week. Having lower expectation and giving more time too develop skills is key. One other thing to note is drawing people especially faces is quite difficult because every day we interact or see faces meaning we visually have a lot of high detail imaging in our mind so when your draw that squiggly crap intending to draw a face it can be outputting. Regarding the fun aspect sometimes I enjoyed when I accomplished something that looked decent it felt good. I do believe there are plenty of people who enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and those people will likely end up better artist because they are enjoying the whole process not the end result. Its like an adventure enjoy the journey don't just think about the destination. So maybe taking the time to enjoy art or subject you genuinely interests you is important step in maintaining motivation. Comparing your own art work with other artist is kind of a crux too there will obviously be gaps in talent or handwork that will take time to improve you can't just pick up a pen and be Jung Gi Kim but I believe you should compare yourself to your past self too see if you think your on the right track. That said I am not very good/driven so take what I say with a grain of salt. | Not really someone whose completed the drawabox lessons past 1 nor do I consider myself are particularly good artist yet, but theres a level you get to when you faithfully stick to the methods you are taught where they become second nature and drawing becomes more natural and fun as a result. I can't say whether this applies with the drawabox way of learning to draw, I'm just assuming this as that's where I have gotten with the methods that were taught to me in my college after a long period of practice. Have faith in yourself and apply what you've learned in your 50 % drawings, supplement your drawings other learning methods along side it or test out different mediums. Most importantly make sure you are drawing things that interest or inspire you ( I drew mechs after lesson 1 since I was watching alot of gundam and the perspective stuff lent itself naturally to robots and vehicles) One last thing, I've been terrible at drawing for most of my life, I found it fun sometimes but most of the times when I was learning it was a boring slog and it was almost always easier to play video games or watch movies. I've been to the point where similar to you I found drawing not fun, regardless I pushed through learning basics regardless. Its only recently that I'm filled with a constant motivation to draw and create, and its partially due to the confidence I get from having practiced my fundamentals( I'm no where near good or pro btw I'm just more confident in what I need to do to make a better looking drawing). Drawing is like working out it's not easy but its fulfilling. Hope this helps. Good luck. | 0 | 54,022 | 1.333333 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx680nx | hx9suy4 | 1,645,019,731 | 1,645,074,584 | 5 | 8 | I've just started enjoying the bad stuff after quite a while of feeling very frustrated and avoidant of it. I think I've 'learned how to suck' and have a feeling this could be way more valuable than learning how to be good, because I'm much more likely to pick up a pen and start now (and enjoy it too). | Not really someone whose completed the drawabox lessons past 1 nor do I consider myself are particularly good artist yet, but theres a level you get to when you faithfully stick to the methods you are taught where they become second nature and drawing becomes more natural and fun as a result. I can't say whether this applies with the drawabox way of learning to draw, I'm just assuming this as that's where I have gotten with the methods that were taught to me in my college after a long period of practice. Have faith in yourself and apply what you've learned in your 50 % drawings, supplement your drawings other learning methods along side it or test out different mediums. Most importantly make sure you are drawing things that interest or inspire you ( I drew mechs after lesson 1 since I was watching alot of gundam and the perspective stuff lent itself naturally to robots and vehicles) One last thing, I've been terrible at drawing for most of my life, I found it fun sometimes but most of the times when I was learning it was a boring slog and it was almost always easier to play video games or watch movies. I've been to the point where similar to you I found drawing not fun, regardless I pushed through learning basics regardless. Its only recently that I'm filled with a constant motivation to draw and create, and its partially due to the confidence I get from having practiced my fundamentals( I'm no where near good or pro btw I'm just more confident in what I need to do to make a better looking drawing). Drawing is like working out it's not easy but its fulfilling. Hope this helps. Good luck. | 0 | 54,853 | 1.6 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx9suy4 | hx8nxyh | 1,645,074,584 | 1,645,054,769 | 8 | 5 | Not really someone whose completed the drawabox lessons past 1 nor do I consider myself are particularly good artist yet, but theres a level you get to when you faithfully stick to the methods you are taught where they become second nature and drawing becomes more natural and fun as a result. I can't say whether this applies with the drawabox way of learning to draw, I'm just assuming this as that's where I have gotten with the methods that were taught to me in my college after a long period of practice. Have faith in yourself and apply what you've learned in your 50 % drawings, supplement your drawings other learning methods along side it or test out different mediums. Most importantly make sure you are drawing things that interest or inspire you ( I drew mechs after lesson 1 since I was watching alot of gundam and the perspective stuff lent itself naturally to robots and vehicles) One last thing, I've been terrible at drawing for most of my life, I found it fun sometimes but most of the times when I was learning it was a boring slog and it was almost always easier to play video games or watch movies. I've been to the point where similar to you I found drawing not fun, regardless I pushed through learning basics regardless. Its only recently that I'm filled with a constant motivation to draw and create, and its partially due to the confidence I get from having practiced my fundamentals( I'm no where near good or pro btw I'm just more confident in what I need to do to make a better looking drawing). Drawing is like working out it's not easy but its fulfilling. Hope this helps. Good luck. | "Fun" was never mentioned really. I'm also commenting so I can save some of these comments and come back to them :D | 1 | 19,815 | 1.6 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx9suy4 | hx65oem | 1,645,074,584 | 1,645,018,612 | 8 | 2 | Not really someone whose completed the drawabox lessons past 1 nor do I consider myself are particularly good artist yet, but theres a level you get to when you faithfully stick to the methods you are taught where they become second nature and drawing becomes more natural and fun as a result. I can't say whether this applies with the drawabox way of learning to draw, I'm just assuming this as that's where I have gotten with the methods that were taught to me in my college after a long period of practice. Have faith in yourself and apply what you've learned in your 50 % drawings, supplement your drawings other learning methods along side it or test out different mediums. Most importantly make sure you are drawing things that interest or inspire you ( I drew mechs after lesson 1 since I was watching alot of gundam and the perspective stuff lent itself naturally to robots and vehicles) One last thing, I've been terrible at drawing for most of my life, I found it fun sometimes but most of the times when I was learning it was a boring slog and it was almost always easier to play video games or watch movies. I've been to the point where similar to you I found drawing not fun, regardless I pushed through learning basics regardless. Its only recently that I'm filled with a constant motivation to draw and create, and its partially due to the confidence I get from having practiced my fundamentals( I'm no where near good or pro btw I'm just more confident in what I need to do to make a better looking drawing). Drawing is like working out it's not easy but its fulfilling. Hope this helps. Good luck. | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | 1 | 55,972 | 4 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx8ihcn | hx9suy4 | 1,645,052,462 | 1,645,074,584 | 1 | 8 | Yes | Not really someone whose completed the drawabox lessons past 1 nor do I consider myself are particularly good artist yet, but theres a level you get to when you faithfully stick to the methods you are taught where they become second nature and drawing becomes more natural and fun as a result. I can't say whether this applies with the drawabox way of learning to draw, I'm just assuming this as that's where I have gotten with the methods that were taught to me in my college after a long period of practice. Have faith in yourself and apply what you've learned in your 50 % drawings, supplement your drawings other learning methods along side it or test out different mediums. Most importantly make sure you are drawing things that interest or inspire you ( I drew mechs after lesson 1 since I was watching alot of gundam and the perspective stuff lent itself naturally to robots and vehicles) One last thing, I've been terrible at drawing for most of my life, I found it fun sometimes but most of the times when I was learning it was a boring slog and it was almost always easier to play video games or watch movies. I've been to the point where similar to you I found drawing not fun, regardless I pushed through learning basics regardless. Its only recently that I'm filled with a constant motivation to draw and create, and its partially due to the confidence I get from having practiced my fundamentals( I'm no where near good or pro btw I'm just more confident in what I need to do to make a better looking drawing). Drawing is like working out it's not easy but its fulfilling. Hope this helps. Good luck. | 0 | 22,122 | 8 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx9suy4 | hx624id | 1,645,074,584 | 1,645,016,816 | 8 | 1 | Not really someone whose completed the drawabox lessons past 1 nor do I consider myself are particularly good artist yet, but theres a level you get to when you faithfully stick to the methods you are taught where they become second nature and drawing becomes more natural and fun as a result. I can't say whether this applies with the drawabox way of learning to draw, I'm just assuming this as that's where I have gotten with the methods that were taught to me in my college after a long period of practice. Have faith in yourself and apply what you've learned in your 50 % drawings, supplement your drawings other learning methods along side it or test out different mediums. Most importantly make sure you are drawing things that interest or inspire you ( I drew mechs after lesson 1 since I was watching alot of gundam and the perspective stuff lent itself naturally to robots and vehicles) One last thing, I've been terrible at drawing for most of my life, I found it fun sometimes but most of the times when I was learning it was a boring slog and it was almost always easier to play video games or watch movies. I've been to the point where similar to you I found drawing not fun, regardless I pushed through learning basics regardless. Its only recently that I'm filled with a constant motivation to draw and create, and its partially due to the confidence I get from having practiced my fundamentals( I'm no where near good or pro btw I'm just more confident in what I need to do to make a better looking drawing). Drawing is like working out it's not easy but its fulfilling. Hope this helps. Good luck. | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | 1 | 57,768 | 8 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx69t8d | hx6htzv | 1,645,020,562 | 1,645,023,981 | 6 | 8 | I don't currently do any drawing what so ever. I started drawing because I want to make cool web comics and had a specific quality of art I wanted to achieve. When I started drawing I found it very difficult to deal with how poor the quality of my art was, and that discouraged me quite a bit. I would say lowering expectations is important but not too lower your goal just means it might take you a bit longer than you think to reach it. It' s like you wanting a great body but expecting to be in shape by the end of the week. Having lower expectation and giving more time too develop skills is key. One other thing to note is drawing people especially faces is quite difficult because every day we interact or see faces meaning we visually have a lot of high detail imaging in our mind so when your draw that squiggly crap intending to draw a face it can be outputting. Regarding the fun aspect sometimes I enjoyed when I accomplished something that looked decent it felt good. I do believe there are plenty of people who enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and those people will likely end up better artist because they are enjoying the whole process not the end result. Its like an adventure enjoy the journey don't just think about the destination. So maybe taking the time to enjoy art or subject you genuinely interests you is important step in maintaining motivation. Comparing your own art work with other artist is kind of a crux too there will obviously be gaps in talent or handwork that will take time to improve you can't just pick up a pen and be Jung Gi Kim but I believe you should compare yourself to your past self too see if you think your on the right track. That said I am not very good/driven so take what I say with a grain of salt. | So there are many approaches to this, and this is a broad subject. At first I struggled very much with 50% rule and it was not fun for me. But after persevering, pushing through my own fears and inner critic, it is my favourite part now. And I am not good at art yet. Key I think is to push through. Around \~15-20 minutes of the session first content feeling arrives, at least for me. Before that, I just fear my own incompetence or get frustrated with whatever. BUT I need to add if you push through and you just feel frustration building, nothing else - not even remotely content feeling - I would stop, take a break and reevaluate. | 0 | 3,419 | 1.333333 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx6htzv | hx680nx | 1,645,023,981 | 1,645,019,731 | 8 | 5 | So there are many approaches to this, and this is a broad subject. At first I struggled very much with 50% rule and it was not fun for me. But after persevering, pushing through my own fears and inner critic, it is my favourite part now. And I am not good at art yet. Key I think is to push through. Around \~15-20 minutes of the session first content feeling arrives, at least for me. Before that, I just fear my own incompetence or get frustrated with whatever. BUT I need to add if you push through and you just feel frustration building, nothing else - not even remotely content feeling - I would stop, take a break and reevaluate. | I've just started enjoying the bad stuff after quite a while of feeling very frustrated and avoidant of it. I think I've 'learned how to suck' and have a feeling this could be way more valuable than learning how to be good, because I'm much more likely to pick up a pen and start now (and enjoy it too). | 1 | 4,250 | 1.6 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx6htzv | hx65oem | 1,645,023,981 | 1,645,018,612 | 8 | 2 | So there are many approaches to this, and this is a broad subject. At first I struggled very much with 50% rule and it was not fun for me. But after persevering, pushing through my own fears and inner critic, it is my favourite part now. And I am not good at art yet. Key I think is to push through. Around \~15-20 minutes of the session first content feeling arrives, at least for me. Before that, I just fear my own incompetence or get frustrated with whatever. BUT I need to add if you push through and you just feel frustration building, nothing else - not even remotely content feeling - I would stop, take a break and reevaluate. | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | 1 | 5,369 | 4 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx624id | hx6htzv | 1,645,016,816 | 1,645,023,981 | 1 | 8 | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | So there are many approaches to this, and this is a broad subject. At first I struggled very much with 50% rule and it was not fun for me. But after persevering, pushing through my own fears and inner critic, it is my favourite part now. And I am not good at art yet. Key I think is to push through. Around \~15-20 minutes of the session first content feeling arrives, at least for me. Before that, I just fear my own incompetence or get frustrated with whatever. BUT I need to add if you push through and you just feel frustration building, nothing else - not even remotely content feeling - I would stop, take a break and reevaluate. | 0 | 7,165 | 8 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx6rjb7 | hx69t8d | 1,645,027,784 | 1,645,020,562 | 7 | 6 | Try reading this article on flow state and particularly the chart —- there’s a key “zone” of skill vs challenge, and it’s likely you’re trying too many challenging things that are causing anxiety or lack of fun because the results aren’t good. https://alifeofproductivity.com/how-to-experience-flow-magical-chart/ Per another commenter, you want to challenge yourself juuust outside of your skill zone to remain in flow and enjoying the process, not so far outside your current skills that it tips the scale into anxiety / lack of fun. So finding ways to practice art at a smaller scale, pieces of a whole, or working on the technical side of your skills might be helpful. I’m just getting into acrylic painting from other mediums, and I’ve been focusing on playing with different brush strokes, paint to medium ratios, etc to better understand how the medium handles. It’s a lot of fun so far. Next I’m going to start practicing painting one object. Etc. If I started out trying to make a complete perfect masterpiece that would definitely be far outside my skill zone and very much NOT fun or a flow state. | I don't currently do any drawing what so ever. I started drawing because I want to make cool web comics and had a specific quality of art I wanted to achieve. When I started drawing I found it very difficult to deal with how poor the quality of my art was, and that discouraged me quite a bit. I would say lowering expectations is important but not too lower your goal just means it might take you a bit longer than you think to reach it. It' s like you wanting a great body but expecting to be in shape by the end of the week. Having lower expectation and giving more time too develop skills is key. One other thing to note is drawing people especially faces is quite difficult because every day we interact or see faces meaning we visually have a lot of high detail imaging in our mind so when your draw that squiggly crap intending to draw a face it can be outputting. Regarding the fun aspect sometimes I enjoyed when I accomplished something that looked decent it felt good. I do believe there are plenty of people who enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and those people will likely end up better artist because they are enjoying the whole process not the end result. Its like an adventure enjoy the journey don't just think about the destination. So maybe taking the time to enjoy art or subject you genuinely interests you is important step in maintaining motivation. Comparing your own art work with other artist is kind of a crux too there will obviously be gaps in talent or handwork that will take time to improve you can't just pick up a pen and be Jung Gi Kim but I believe you should compare yourself to your past self too see if you think your on the right track. That said I am not very good/driven so take what I say with a grain of salt. | 1 | 7,222 | 1.166667 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx680nx | hx6rjb7 | 1,645,019,731 | 1,645,027,784 | 5 | 7 | I've just started enjoying the bad stuff after quite a while of feeling very frustrated and avoidant of it. I think I've 'learned how to suck' and have a feeling this could be way more valuable than learning how to be good, because I'm much more likely to pick up a pen and start now (and enjoy it too). | Try reading this article on flow state and particularly the chart —- there’s a key “zone” of skill vs challenge, and it’s likely you’re trying too many challenging things that are causing anxiety or lack of fun because the results aren’t good. https://alifeofproductivity.com/how-to-experience-flow-magical-chart/ Per another commenter, you want to challenge yourself juuust outside of your skill zone to remain in flow and enjoying the process, not so far outside your current skills that it tips the scale into anxiety / lack of fun. So finding ways to practice art at a smaller scale, pieces of a whole, or working on the technical side of your skills might be helpful. I’m just getting into acrylic painting from other mediums, and I’ve been focusing on playing with different brush strokes, paint to medium ratios, etc to better understand how the medium handles. It’s a lot of fun so far. Next I’m going to start practicing painting one object. Etc. If I started out trying to make a complete perfect masterpiece that would definitely be far outside my skill zone and very much NOT fun or a flow state. | 0 | 8,053 | 1.4 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx6rjb7 | hx65oem | 1,645,027,784 | 1,645,018,612 | 7 | 2 | Try reading this article on flow state and particularly the chart —- there’s a key “zone” of skill vs challenge, and it’s likely you’re trying too many challenging things that are causing anxiety or lack of fun because the results aren’t good. https://alifeofproductivity.com/how-to-experience-flow-magical-chart/ Per another commenter, you want to challenge yourself juuust outside of your skill zone to remain in flow and enjoying the process, not so far outside your current skills that it tips the scale into anxiety / lack of fun. So finding ways to practice art at a smaller scale, pieces of a whole, or working on the technical side of your skills might be helpful. I’m just getting into acrylic painting from other mediums, and I’ve been focusing on playing with different brush strokes, paint to medium ratios, etc to better understand how the medium handles. It’s a lot of fun so far. Next I’m going to start practicing painting one object. Etc. If I started out trying to make a complete perfect masterpiece that would definitely be far outside my skill zone and very much NOT fun or a flow state. | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | 1 | 9,172 | 3.5 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx624id | hx6rjb7 | 1,645,016,816 | 1,645,027,784 | 1 | 7 | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | Try reading this article on flow state and particularly the chart —- there’s a key “zone” of skill vs challenge, and it’s likely you’re trying too many challenging things that are causing anxiety or lack of fun because the results aren’t good. https://alifeofproductivity.com/how-to-experience-flow-magical-chart/ Per another commenter, you want to challenge yourself juuust outside of your skill zone to remain in flow and enjoying the process, not so far outside your current skills that it tips the scale into anxiety / lack of fun. So finding ways to practice art at a smaller scale, pieces of a whole, or working on the technical side of your skills might be helpful. I’m just getting into acrylic painting from other mediums, and I’ve been focusing on playing with different brush strokes, paint to medium ratios, etc to better understand how the medium handles. It’s a lot of fun so far. Next I’m going to start practicing painting one object. Etc. If I started out trying to make a complete perfect masterpiece that would definitely be far outside my skill zone and very much NOT fun or a flow state. | 0 | 10,968 | 7 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx680nx | hx69t8d | 1,645,019,731 | 1,645,020,562 | 5 | 6 | I've just started enjoying the bad stuff after quite a while of feeling very frustrated and avoidant of it. I think I've 'learned how to suck' and have a feeling this could be way more valuable than learning how to be good, because I'm much more likely to pick up a pen and start now (and enjoy it too). | I don't currently do any drawing what so ever. I started drawing because I want to make cool web comics and had a specific quality of art I wanted to achieve. When I started drawing I found it very difficult to deal with how poor the quality of my art was, and that discouraged me quite a bit. I would say lowering expectations is important but not too lower your goal just means it might take you a bit longer than you think to reach it. It' s like you wanting a great body but expecting to be in shape by the end of the week. Having lower expectation and giving more time too develop skills is key. One other thing to note is drawing people especially faces is quite difficult because every day we interact or see faces meaning we visually have a lot of high detail imaging in our mind so when your draw that squiggly crap intending to draw a face it can be outputting. Regarding the fun aspect sometimes I enjoyed when I accomplished something that looked decent it felt good. I do believe there are plenty of people who enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and those people will likely end up better artist because they are enjoying the whole process not the end result. Its like an adventure enjoy the journey don't just think about the destination. So maybe taking the time to enjoy art or subject you genuinely interests you is important step in maintaining motivation. Comparing your own art work with other artist is kind of a crux too there will obviously be gaps in talent or handwork that will take time to improve you can't just pick up a pen and be Jung Gi Kim but I believe you should compare yourself to your past self too see if you think your on the right track. That said I am not very good/driven so take what I say with a grain of salt. | 0 | 831 | 1.2 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx69t8d | hx65oem | 1,645,020,562 | 1,645,018,612 | 6 | 2 | I don't currently do any drawing what so ever. I started drawing because I want to make cool web comics and had a specific quality of art I wanted to achieve. When I started drawing I found it very difficult to deal with how poor the quality of my art was, and that discouraged me quite a bit. I would say lowering expectations is important but not too lower your goal just means it might take you a bit longer than you think to reach it. It' s like you wanting a great body but expecting to be in shape by the end of the week. Having lower expectation and giving more time too develop skills is key. One other thing to note is drawing people especially faces is quite difficult because every day we interact or see faces meaning we visually have a lot of high detail imaging in our mind so when your draw that squiggly crap intending to draw a face it can be outputting. Regarding the fun aspect sometimes I enjoyed when I accomplished something that looked decent it felt good. I do believe there are plenty of people who enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and those people will likely end up better artist because they are enjoying the whole process not the end result. Its like an adventure enjoy the journey don't just think about the destination. So maybe taking the time to enjoy art or subject you genuinely interests you is important step in maintaining motivation. Comparing your own art work with other artist is kind of a crux too there will obviously be gaps in talent or handwork that will take time to improve you can't just pick up a pen and be Jung Gi Kim but I believe you should compare yourself to your past self too see if you think your on the right track. That said I am not very good/driven so take what I say with a grain of salt. | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | 1 | 1,950 | 3 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx69t8d | hx624id | 1,645,020,562 | 1,645,016,816 | 6 | 1 | I don't currently do any drawing what so ever. I started drawing because I want to make cool web comics and had a specific quality of art I wanted to achieve. When I started drawing I found it very difficult to deal with how poor the quality of my art was, and that discouraged me quite a bit. I would say lowering expectations is important but not too lower your goal just means it might take you a bit longer than you think to reach it. It' s like you wanting a great body but expecting to be in shape by the end of the week. Having lower expectation and giving more time too develop skills is key. One other thing to note is drawing people especially faces is quite difficult because every day we interact or see faces meaning we visually have a lot of high detail imaging in our mind so when your draw that squiggly crap intending to draw a face it can be outputting. Regarding the fun aspect sometimes I enjoyed when I accomplished something that looked decent it felt good. I do believe there are plenty of people who enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and those people will likely end up better artist because they are enjoying the whole process not the end result. Its like an adventure enjoy the journey don't just think about the destination. So maybe taking the time to enjoy art or subject you genuinely interests you is important step in maintaining motivation. Comparing your own art work with other artist is kind of a crux too there will obviously be gaps in talent or handwork that will take time to improve you can't just pick up a pen and be Jung Gi Kim but I believe you should compare yourself to your past self too see if you think your on the right track. That said I am not very good/driven so take what I say with a grain of salt. | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | 1 | 3,746 | 6 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx680nx | hx65oem | 1,645,019,731 | 1,645,018,612 | 5 | 2 | I've just started enjoying the bad stuff after quite a while of feeling very frustrated and avoidant of it. I think I've 'learned how to suck' and have a feeling this could be way more valuable than learning how to be good, because I'm much more likely to pick up a pen and start now (and enjoy it too). | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | 1 | 1,119 | 2.5 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx624id | hx680nx | 1,645,016,816 | 1,645,019,731 | 1 | 5 | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | I've just started enjoying the bad stuff after quite a while of feeling very frustrated and avoidant of it. I think I've 'learned how to suck' and have a feeling this could be way more valuable than learning how to be good, because I'm much more likely to pick up a pen and start now (and enjoy it too). | 0 | 2,915 | 5 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx65oem | hx8nxyh | 1,645,018,612 | 1,645,054,769 | 2 | 5 | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | "Fun" was never mentioned really. I'm also commenting so I can save some of these comments and come back to them :D | 0 | 36,157 | 2.5 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx8ihcn | hx8nxyh | 1,645,052,462 | 1,645,054,769 | 1 | 5 | Yes | "Fun" was never mentioned really. I'm also commenting so I can save some of these comments and come back to them :D | 0 | 2,307 | 5 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx624id | hx8nxyh | 1,645,016,816 | 1,645,054,769 | 1 | 5 | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | "Fun" was never mentioned really. I'm also commenting so I can save some of these comments and come back to them :D | 0 | 37,953 | 5 | ||
sttdug | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | People who didn't have fun drawing bad stuff for the 50% rule, did you start to find drawing fun after you got good? I feel like I want to learn to draw because there are some art works I want to create, but I don't feel any particular amount of dopamine when drawing. The "I don't have fun drawing things for the 50% rule because I'm not good yet and I don't find drawing bad things fun" is a sentiment I've read several times in this subreddit, and most answers are along the lines of "you don't need motivation, you need discipline; keep drawing!" But I wonder if the issue of not having fun will ever actually resolve itself if I were to push through with sheer disciple and end up becoming a decent artist, or if the issue actually lies deeper; maybe "I'm not having fun because I'm not good yet" is merely an excuse I tell myself: if I were to truly find drawing fun, I would already be having fun while drawing dumb stuff; if I can't have fun drawing dumb stuff, I still won't be having fun even if I could draw good stuff. Like, when you imagine an artist, you imagine somebody who started drawing because they found it fun, not because they wanted to get good. Maybe I am merely enamoured by the idea of drawing rather than the act of drawing itself? Maybe the group of people "who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff but still got good" which the title asks about, doesn't even exist? Maybe all successful artists already had fun while drawing dumb stuff, and those who didn't have fun drawing dumb stuff eventually gave up? Are there actually people out there who only started to have fun while drawing after they got good at it? | hx65oem | hx624id | 1,645,018,612 | 1,645,016,816 | 2 | 1 | I had these thoughts too until I joined an atelier and got a teacher to guide me for the first time. I did a lot of coal studies, which weren't that boring because they were great practice and looked better than anything I had ever done. Now with the skill I've developed I've started to understand how to have fun with personal art. Here's what changed it for me: fun personal art needs to be about something specific that makes me passionate. Maybe it's the same for you. Right now I'm trying to learn to draw in the style of one of my favourite artist, and it's been so amazing to analyze his characters and experiment. I recommend you do the same. So basically you don't need the skill to have fun, just something you really want to draw and learn about, but still, making art that looks good feels good | Maybe you just don't enjoy the process of drawing. When doing any activity, if you find yourself focusing too much on the result and not having fun with the process then it probably just isn't for you. You like the *idea* of drawing instead of the act. Trying it out wasn't for nothing, you *must* try out new activities before figuring out what you love best, there is no other way. So go on and explore new stuff, life's too short to do what you don't enjoy. | 1 | 1,796 | 2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hrywgbg | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,763,835 | 44 | 30 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 1 | 5,849 | 1.466667 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxe9n2 | hrzcoe0 | 1,641,744,259 | 1,641,769,684 | 22 | 44 | the only way to fail at drawing is to not draw | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | 0 | 25,425 | 2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hrx9adx | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,742,308 | 44 | 14 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | 1 | 27,376 | 3.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hrya0uh | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,755,890 | 44 | 16 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 1 | 13,794 | 2.75 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hrxtf94 | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,749,996 | 44 | 14 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | 1 | 19,688 | 3.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hryu385 | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,762,967 | 44 | 14 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 1 | 6,717 | 3.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxggk0 | hrzcoe0 | 1,641,745,114 | 1,641,769,684 | 10 | 44 | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | 0 | 24,570 | 4.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hrxop7p | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,748,237 | 44 | 10 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | 1 | 21,447 | 4.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hry7rnq | hrzcoe0 | 1,641,755,105 | 1,641,769,684 | 10 | 44 | Get a stack of copy paper and a clipboard. Whatever you draw on that paper is to be recycled. When you know you don't need to keep the paper you're less likely to have inhibitions toward what you end up with. That's how I warm up and I spend less on sketchbooks that I fell with "garbage". It's all about getting pen on paper. | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | 0 | 14,579 | 4.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hrx5r8b | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,740,858 | 44 | 6 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | 1 | 28,826 | 7.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5snj | hrzcoe0 | 1,641,740,876 | 1,641,769,684 | 7 | 44 | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | 0 | 28,808 | 6.285714 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzcoe0 | hry50p9 | 1,641,769,684 | 1,641,754,147 | 44 | 6 | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | I was the same way. I just couldn’t do it. So I was in this “either I do the homework or I don’t draw at all”, so I chose to keep doing the exercises and not do the 50% rule. (Bad, I know) Then I got to the plotted perspective exercise and I was like “Gosh, I just really want to doodle a little” and I had that aha! Moment that it was time to do the 50% rule and since then I’ve been able to follow it. Don’t worry about messing up. Think about the worst case scenario: It’s likely that a loved one finds your work and is unimpressed. Not really an end of the world kind of situation, is it? I know it can feel that way though. You can just keep throwing out anything you mess up or don’t like. You can rip it into pieces, use a shredder, put it into a fire (carefully and responsibly) or date it, keep it and look back at your progress over time etc. One of the things you would be addressing is black and white thinking. That’s where think that you either get an A and anything less than an A is, in your mind, an F. So you feel paralyzed because what if (you were rating your own work) and you created B level work? That’s better than an F and it is better than not doing anything at all. But it takes some serious mental work to change how you feel about it. So, it’s not actually about drawing, this is about how you cope with feelings and it is worthwhile to work on it. I really like Draw a Box, because it forces you to cope with feelings through the lessons and activities. Good luck! | 1 | 15,537 | 7.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxy4os | hrzcoe0 | 1,641,751,722 | 1,641,769,684 | 5 | 44 | Just ignore it and move forward. A lot of the old masters covered their mistakes by simply painting over them. | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | 0 | 17,962 | 8.8 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxf6rr | hrzcoe0 | 1,641,744,619 | 1,641,769,684 | 2 | 44 | What is 50% rule? | you know those progress pics, where you can see massive progress? how are you gonna make one of those if you don't have shitty beginner drawings? | 0 | 25,065 | 22 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxe9n2 | hrywgbg | 1,641,744,259 | 1,641,763,835 | 22 | 30 | the only way to fail at drawing is to not draw | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 19,576 | 1.363636 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrywgbg | hrx9adx | 1,641,763,835 | 1,641,742,308 | 30 | 14 | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | 1 | 21,527 | 2.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrya0uh | hrywgbg | 1,641,755,890 | 1,641,763,835 | 16 | 30 | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 7,945 | 1.875 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrywgbg | hrxtf94 | 1,641,763,835 | 1,641,749,996 | 30 | 14 | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | 1 | 13,839 | 2.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hryu385 | hrywgbg | 1,641,762,967 | 1,641,763,835 | 14 | 30 | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 868 | 2.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxggk0 | hrywgbg | 1,641,745,114 | 1,641,763,835 | 10 | 30 | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 18,721 | 3 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxop7p | hrywgbg | 1,641,748,237 | 1,641,763,835 | 10 | 30 | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 15,598 | 3 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hry7rnq | hrywgbg | 1,641,755,105 | 1,641,763,835 | 10 | 30 | Get a stack of copy paper and a clipboard. Whatever you draw on that paper is to be recycled. When you know you don't need to keep the paper you're less likely to have inhibitions toward what you end up with. That's how I warm up and I spend less on sketchbooks that I fell with "garbage". It's all about getting pen on paper. | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 8,730 | 3 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrywgbg | hrx5r8b | 1,641,763,835 | 1,641,740,858 | 30 | 6 | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | 1 | 22,977 | 5 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrywgbg | hrx5snj | 1,641,763,835 | 1,641,740,876 | 30 | 7 | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | 1 | 22,959 | 4.285714 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hry50p9 | hrywgbg | 1,641,754,147 | 1,641,763,835 | 6 | 30 | I was the same way. I just couldn’t do it. So I was in this “either I do the homework or I don’t draw at all”, so I chose to keep doing the exercises and not do the 50% rule. (Bad, I know) Then I got to the plotted perspective exercise and I was like “Gosh, I just really want to doodle a little” and I had that aha! Moment that it was time to do the 50% rule and since then I’ve been able to follow it. Don’t worry about messing up. Think about the worst case scenario: It’s likely that a loved one finds your work and is unimpressed. Not really an end of the world kind of situation, is it? I know it can feel that way though. You can just keep throwing out anything you mess up or don’t like. You can rip it into pieces, use a shredder, put it into a fire (carefully and responsibly) or date it, keep it and look back at your progress over time etc. One of the things you would be addressing is black and white thinking. That’s where think that you either get an A and anything less than an A is, in your mind, an F. So you feel paralyzed because what if (you were rating your own work) and you created B level work? That’s better than an F and it is better than not doing anything at all. But it takes some serious mental work to change how you feel about it. So, it’s not actually about drawing, this is about how you cope with feelings and it is worthwhile to work on it. I really like Draw a Box, because it forces you to cope with feelings through the lessons and activities. Good luck! | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 9,688 | 5 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxy4os | hrywgbg | 1,641,751,722 | 1,641,763,835 | 5 | 30 | Just ignore it and move forward. A lot of the old masters covered their mistakes by simply painting over them. | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | 0 | 12,113 | 6 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrywgbg | hrxf6rr | 1,641,763,835 | 1,641,744,619 | 30 | 2 | Buy one of those boxes that each contain about 5 packs of 1000 sheets of a4 printer paper, costs about the same as a couple of sketchbooks, now fill both sides with sketches, just pile them up or throw em straight into the recycling bin. Learning to draw is about making mistakes, assessing what went wrong, learning how to fix the mistake and then applying the new knowledge to get it right the next time. I also recommend getting the few pieces of art/drawings that you are most proud of and destroying them, because you can always do them again, this time much better. Repetition is important, don't be afraid to draw the exact same thing 10s or even 100s of times. People become obsessed with filling like 3 or 4 sketchbooks with perfect drawings and hoping by the end they will be able to draw, that's not how it works. Try to fill 5 or 10 pages (both sides) a day with sketches that have a purpose like drawing forms in perspective or figure sketches etc. | What is 50% rule? | 1 | 19,216 | 15 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx9adx | hrxe9n2 | 1,641,742,308 | 1,641,744,259 | 14 | 22 | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | the only way to fail at drawing is to not draw | 0 | 1,951 | 1.571429 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxe9n2 | hrx5r8b | 1,641,744,259 | 1,641,740,858 | 22 | 6 | the only way to fail at drawing is to not draw | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | 1 | 3,401 | 3.666667 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxe9n2 | hrx5snj | 1,641,744,259 | 1,641,740,876 | 22 | 7 | the only way to fail at drawing is to not draw | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | 1 | 3,383 | 3.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx9adx | hs0lhgn | 1,641,742,308 | 1,641,787,431 | 14 | 18 | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 45,123 | 1.285714 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrya0uh | hs0lhgn | 1,641,755,890 | 1,641,787,431 | 16 | 18 | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 31,541 | 1.125 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxtf94 | hs0lhgn | 1,641,749,996 | 1,641,787,431 | 14 | 18 | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 37,435 | 1.285714 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hryu385 | hs0lhgn | 1,641,762,967 | 1,641,787,431 | 14 | 18 | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 24,464 | 1.285714 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0lhgn | hrxggk0 | 1,641,787,431 | 1,641,745,114 | 18 | 10 | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | 1 | 42,317 | 1.8 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxop7p | hs0lhgn | 1,641,748,237 | 1,641,787,431 | 10 | 18 | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 39,194 | 1.8 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0lhgn | hry7rnq | 1,641,787,431 | 1,641,755,105 | 18 | 10 | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | Get a stack of copy paper and a clipboard. Whatever you draw on that paper is to be recycled. When you know you don't need to keep the paper you're less likely to have inhibitions toward what you end up with. That's how I warm up and I spend less on sketchbooks that I fell with "garbage". It's all about getting pen on paper. | 1 | 32,326 | 1.8 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0lhgn | hrzwf79 | 1,641,787,431 | 1,641,777,189 | 18 | 9 | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | If you never fail how do you succeed? | 1 | 10,242 | 2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0lhgn | hs0dl2t | 1,641,787,431 | 1,641,784,119 | 18 | 6 | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | Honestly, just draw shit you like. Don't do technical practice or whatever unless you're motivated. Sometimes I don't feel like I can draw a full piece, but I can always do some skull doodles. | 1 | 3,312 | 3 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5r8b | hs0lhgn | 1,641,740,858 | 1,641,787,431 | 6 | 18 | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 46,573 | 3 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5snj | hs0lhgn | 1,641,740,876 | 1,641,787,431 | 7 | 18 | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 46,555 | 2.571429 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hry50p9 | hs0lhgn | 1,641,754,147 | 1,641,787,431 | 6 | 18 | I was the same way. I just couldn’t do it. So I was in this “either I do the homework or I don’t draw at all”, so I chose to keep doing the exercises and not do the 50% rule. (Bad, I know) Then I got to the plotted perspective exercise and I was like “Gosh, I just really want to doodle a little” and I had that aha! Moment that it was time to do the 50% rule and since then I’ve been able to follow it. Don’t worry about messing up. Think about the worst case scenario: It’s likely that a loved one finds your work and is unimpressed. Not really an end of the world kind of situation, is it? I know it can feel that way though. You can just keep throwing out anything you mess up or don’t like. You can rip it into pieces, use a shredder, put it into a fire (carefully and responsibly) or date it, keep it and look back at your progress over time etc. One of the things you would be addressing is black and white thinking. That’s where think that you either get an A and anything less than an A is, in your mind, an F. So you feel paralyzed because what if (you were rating your own work) and you created B level work? That’s better than an F and it is better than not doing anything at all. But it takes some serious mental work to change how you feel about it. So, it’s not actually about drawing, this is about how you cope with feelings and it is worthwhile to work on it. I really like Draw a Box, because it forces you to cope with feelings through the lessons and activities. Good luck! | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 33,284 | 3 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxy4os | hs0lhgn | 1,641,751,722 | 1,641,787,431 | 5 | 18 | Just ignore it and move forward. A lot of the old masters covered their mistakes by simply painting over them. | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 35,709 | 3.6 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxf6rr | hs0lhgn | 1,641,744,619 | 1,641,787,431 | 2 | 18 | What is 50% rule? | I hate the idea of making bad art, but I've decided that making bad art is still better than making no art at all. | 0 | 42,812 | 9 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx9adx | hrya0uh | 1,641,742,308 | 1,641,755,890 | 14 | 16 | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 13,582 | 1.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5r8b | hrx9adx | 1,641,740,858 | 1,641,742,308 | 6 | 14 | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | 0 | 1,450 | 2.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx9adx | hrx5snj | 1,641,742,308 | 1,641,740,876 | 14 | 7 | Your job is to "produce", which means meeting the bare-minimum requirement on-time. The illusion of perfection prevents us from doing that, when in reality, because terrible at stuff is how we BEGIN to be AWESOME at stuff! Check out the GBB Approach: * https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/mr0f97/image\_how\_to\_finish/guqfb60/?context=3 Remember, you can repeat lessons! You can do them over & over again until it "clicks" for you & you master it & get good at it! Our emotions tell us that we need to be "instantly perfect" at things, which then creates task paralysis, because it becomes such a big & scary thing that we can't even do one drawing sometimes! Your job is to start out & be REALLY bad at doing this stuff! Thus, you're supposed to be doing the bare-minimum required in each lesson so that your body & your brain have literally, physically walked through the process so that you can get a taste of it & start to get the hang of it! Being bad at it is not only part of the process, but is REQUIRED! | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | 1 | 1,432 | 2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrya0uh | hrxtf94 | 1,641,755,890 | 1,641,749,996 | 16 | 14 | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | 1 | 5,894 | 1.142857 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrya0uh | hrxggk0 | 1,641,755,890 | 1,641,745,114 | 16 | 10 | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | 1 | 10,776 | 1.6 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxop7p | hrya0uh | 1,641,748,237 | 1,641,755,890 | 10 | 16 | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 7,653 | 1.6 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrya0uh | hry7rnq | 1,641,755,890 | 1,641,755,105 | 16 | 10 | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | Get a stack of copy paper and a clipboard. Whatever you draw on that paper is to be recycled. When you know you don't need to keep the paper you're less likely to have inhibitions toward what you end up with. That's how I warm up and I spend less on sketchbooks that I fell with "garbage". It's all about getting pen on paper. | 1 | 785 | 1.6 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5r8b | hrya0uh | 1,641,740,858 | 1,641,755,890 | 6 | 16 | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 15,032 | 2.666667 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5snj | hrya0uh | 1,641,740,876 | 1,641,755,890 | 7 | 16 | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 15,014 | 2.285714 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hry50p9 | hrya0uh | 1,641,754,147 | 1,641,755,890 | 6 | 16 | I was the same way. I just couldn’t do it. So I was in this “either I do the homework or I don’t draw at all”, so I chose to keep doing the exercises and not do the 50% rule. (Bad, I know) Then I got to the plotted perspective exercise and I was like “Gosh, I just really want to doodle a little” and I had that aha! Moment that it was time to do the 50% rule and since then I’ve been able to follow it. Don’t worry about messing up. Think about the worst case scenario: It’s likely that a loved one finds your work and is unimpressed. Not really an end of the world kind of situation, is it? I know it can feel that way though. You can just keep throwing out anything you mess up or don’t like. You can rip it into pieces, use a shredder, put it into a fire (carefully and responsibly) or date it, keep it and look back at your progress over time etc. One of the things you would be addressing is black and white thinking. That’s where think that you either get an A and anything less than an A is, in your mind, an F. So you feel paralyzed because what if (you were rating your own work) and you created B level work? That’s better than an F and it is better than not doing anything at all. But it takes some serious mental work to change how you feel about it. So, it’s not actually about drawing, this is about how you cope with feelings and it is worthwhile to work on it. I really like Draw a Box, because it forces you to cope with feelings through the lessons and activities. Good luck! | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 1,743 | 2.666667 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxy4os | hrya0uh | 1,641,751,722 | 1,641,755,890 | 5 | 16 | Just ignore it and move forward. A lot of the old masters covered their mistakes by simply painting over them. | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 4,168 | 3.2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxf6rr | hrya0uh | 1,641,744,619 | 1,641,755,890 | 2 | 16 | What is 50% rule? | How can you fail at just drawing for fun? There are literally 0 stakes. There's nothing resting on it, nothing will happen if it doesn't come out like you hoped. I can promise, that if you keep drawing in a year or two you'll look at even something you're happy with now and think it's awful because you've improved so much. You've got 10000 bad drawings to get through before you start making good ones. The only way out is through. | 0 | 11,271 | 8 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxtf94 | hrxggk0 | 1,641,749,996 | 1,641,745,114 | 14 | 10 | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | 1 | 4,882 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxop7p | hrxtf94 | 1,641,748,237 | 1,641,749,996 | 10 | 14 | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | 0 | 1,759 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxtf94 | hrx5r8b | 1,641,749,996 | 1,641,740,858 | 14 | 6 | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | 1 | 9,138 | 2.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5snj | hrxtf94 | 1,641,740,876 | 1,641,749,996 | 7 | 14 | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | 0 | 9,120 | 2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxf6rr | hrxtf94 | 1,641,744,619 | 1,641,749,996 | 2 | 14 | What is 50% rule? | What's helped me greatly is doing quick animal sketches using sites like Line of Action, Sketch Daily, or QuickPoses. I limit the time to 5 minutes per sketch. Even though the time limit adds some pressure, it's also nice to be forced to let go and move on to the next one. I've been doing this for months and it's become simple fun. The uptake is: when you only do 1 drawing and try to make it beautiful, that's a lot of pressure. If you produce 4-6 sketches every day and don't dwell on them too much, it's easier to just do it and move on. I've filled several sketchbooks with these now and I don't want to say this too loudly, but ^(they're starting to look pretty darn good, too.) Not always, but a lot more than before, just from sheer quantity. Good luck! | 0 | 5,377 | 7 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxggk0 | hryu385 | 1,641,745,114 | 1,641,762,967 | 10 | 14 | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 17,853 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxop7p | hryu385 | 1,641,748,237 | 1,641,762,967 | 10 | 14 | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 14,730 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hry7rnq | hryu385 | 1,641,755,105 | 1,641,762,967 | 10 | 14 | Get a stack of copy paper and a clipboard. Whatever you draw on that paper is to be recycled. When you know you don't need to keep the paper you're less likely to have inhibitions toward what you end up with. That's how I warm up and I spend less on sketchbooks that I fell with "garbage". It's all about getting pen on paper. | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 7,862 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5r8b | hryu385 | 1,641,740,858 | 1,641,762,967 | 6 | 14 | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 22,109 | 2.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5snj | hryu385 | 1,641,740,876 | 1,641,762,967 | 7 | 14 | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 22,091 | 2 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hryu385 | hry50p9 | 1,641,762,967 | 1,641,754,147 | 14 | 6 | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | I was the same way. I just couldn’t do it. So I was in this “either I do the homework or I don’t draw at all”, so I chose to keep doing the exercises and not do the 50% rule. (Bad, I know) Then I got to the plotted perspective exercise and I was like “Gosh, I just really want to doodle a little” and I had that aha! Moment that it was time to do the 50% rule and since then I’ve been able to follow it. Don’t worry about messing up. Think about the worst case scenario: It’s likely that a loved one finds your work and is unimpressed. Not really an end of the world kind of situation, is it? I know it can feel that way though. You can just keep throwing out anything you mess up or don’t like. You can rip it into pieces, use a shredder, put it into a fire (carefully and responsibly) or date it, keep it and look back at your progress over time etc. One of the things you would be addressing is black and white thinking. That’s where think that you either get an A and anything less than an A is, in your mind, an F. So you feel paralyzed because what if (you were rating your own work) and you created B level work? That’s better than an F and it is better than not doing anything at all. But it takes some serious mental work to change how you feel about it. So, it’s not actually about drawing, this is about how you cope with feelings and it is worthwhile to work on it. I really like Draw a Box, because it forces you to cope with feelings through the lessons and activities. Good luck! | 1 | 8,820 | 2.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxy4os | hryu385 | 1,641,751,722 | 1,641,762,967 | 5 | 14 | Just ignore it and move forward. A lot of the old masters covered their mistakes by simply painting over them. | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 11,245 | 2.8 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxf6rr | hryu385 | 1,641,744,619 | 1,641,762,967 | 2 | 14 | What is 50% rule? | I used to have this problem to the point of never drawing and still sometimes struggle with it. What really helped me was timed drawing and only using pen (I mostly use ballpoint tho). I found timed gesture drawings really fun and met the above criteria | 0 | 18,348 | 7 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrxggk0 | hs0z5py | 1,641,745,114 | 1,641,793,428 | 10 | 14 | I spend a lot of my free time drawing on a tablet. I know it’s not using a pen, but it’s better than not drawing at all. I’m like you and I really hate messing up, I found being able to hit ‘undo’ really helped me get over that. I’m also at the very start of the course, so I’m bending the rules a bit until I form a bit of a schedule | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | 0 | 48,314 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0z5py | hrxop7p | 1,641,793,428 | 1,641,748,237 | 14 | 10 | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | Don't be precious with your art. Just use printer paper and the. Throw it away after 10 minutes. | 1 | 45,191 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0w51c | hs0z5py | 1,641,791,977 | 1,641,793,428 | 9 | 14 | I struggle with this too sometimes. I feel like I don’t “deserve” to draw fun stuff until I’ve gotten “good enough” So I just tell myself that I’m exercising my creative muscles instead of my technical ones. Both are really important. It also helps for me to say “I’ll revisit this again later to see how much I’ve improved.” | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | 0 | 1,451 | 1.555556 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0z5py | hry7rnq | 1,641,793,428 | 1,641,755,105 | 14 | 10 | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | Get a stack of copy paper and a clipboard. Whatever you draw on that paper is to be recycled. When you know you don't need to keep the paper you're less likely to have inhibitions toward what you end up with. That's how I warm up and I spend less on sketchbooks that I fell with "garbage". It's all about getting pen on paper. | 1 | 38,323 | 1.4 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrzwf79 | hs0z5py | 1,641,777,189 | 1,641,793,428 | 9 | 14 | If you never fail how do you succeed? | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | 0 | 16,239 | 1.555556 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0dl2t | hs0z5py | 1,641,784,119 | 1,641,793,428 | 6 | 14 | Honestly, just draw shit you like. Don't do technical practice or whatever unless you're motivated. Sometimes I don't feel like I can draw a full piece, but I can always do some skull doodles. | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | 0 | 9,309 | 2.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hs0z5py | hrx5r8b | 1,641,793,428 | 1,641,740,858 | 14 | 6 | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | Not sure if this helps any but recognizing that the works of artists I enjoy were built upon 1000s upon 1000s of failed attempts (including completed works) helps me when I get stuck. Also, for nearly every drawing session I do, I pick out something that I'm proud of. Some days it's literally just a line looking incredibly good. Anyway, failure is a part of the process and it's often the best teacher and motivator for me. It's a necessary discomfort. Plus, it's very low stakes if you're just learning on your own :) | 1 | 52,570 | 2.333333 | ||
rzs9eg | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Can't follow the 50% rule help I know I'm supposed to set some time for drawing just for the sake of it but I just can't I get so scared I'll fail or mess up does anyone have any advice to get over these fears? | hrx5snj | hs0z5py | 1,641,740,876 | 1,641,793,428 | 7 | 14 | The whole point of the lessons is to get you to draw 3d objects with a sure hand, then move onto texturing and multiple overlapping things in the same composition. Get through them quickly so you can proceed onto actual things. If you don't know what else to draw, do basketballs when practicing spheres, postboxes when practicing boxes, bottles when practicing cylinders. Do a plate of sausages or baguettes when doing the organics lesson. Just push through it and reserve perfectionism for later. | I get the "OMG I'm not good enough!!" paralysis sometimes too. My best advice for getting past it is to get an incredibly cheap, or very small (or both) sketchbook, something that's clearly not a big deal, not important, not in the least bit fancy, and do a lot of little, no-big-deal sketches in that. Maybe get several -- I have an 8.5x11 cheap sketchpad, and a 4x6 sketchbook that cost me like two dollars, and a... I think it's about 6x9 or so sketchbook that cost me like three or four dollars. The little one lives next to where my laptop sits, the medium one lives on my nightstand for if I want to draw something before going to sleep or right after I wake up, and the sketchpad lives on my art table. I also have a couple of watercolor sketchbooks and a mixed media sketchbook. The watercolor sketchbook was fairly expensive, but that can't be helped, and yeah, I do have a hard time making myself use it, but I loathe doing watercolor on cheap, crappy paper, so I deal. But having a bunch of sketchbooks/sketchpads means none of them is \*My Sketchbook\* and none of them is special. One of the worst things a beginning artist can do is get a fancy, expensive, important sketchbook, that they're then terrified of "ruining" to the point where they never use it. :/ Also, the more sketches you do, the less important any particular one becomes. If you've done hundreds of sketches, getting this next one perfect might not seem so vital. And of course, practicing more, even if it's just messing-around level sketches, does help. Another way of thinking about it -- unless someone is paying you money for a piece of art, it's *not* important, and if it doesn't turn out as good as you want, it doesn't matter. Who cares? Turn the page and try again. Messing up and learning from it is what practice is for. Having fun, which is tough to do if you're all stressed out, is also a major reason we do this, so do your best to let go of the worry and stress and sense that every mark you put on paper is Important!! and just have fun. :) | 0 | 52,552 | 2 |
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