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yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iud8cw8 | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,136,287 | 11 | 1 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 50,014 | 11 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue3ivb | iud8cw8 | 1,667,149,845 | 1,667,136,287 | 10 | 1 | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 13,558 | 10 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iud8cw8 | iufecf1 | 1,667,136,287 | 1,667,168,528 | 1 | 9 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 0 | 32,241 | 9 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iud8cw8 | iug1bu1 | 1,667,136,287 | 1,667,178,850 | 1 | 9 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | 0 | 42,563 | 9 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuegcid | iud8cw8 | 1,667,154,838 | 1,667,136,287 | 9 | 1 | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 18,551 | 9 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iueabs7 | iud8cw8 | 1,667,152,509 | 1,667,136,287 | 8 | 1 | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. 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yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iud8cw8 | iugyw9u | 1,667,136,287 | 1,667,199,431 | 1 | 7 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | i'm reading Atomic Habits and the first thing James Clear says was "Your knowledge is a lagging measure of your learning habits" "if you're broke, but save a little bit every month, then you're on the path toward financial freedom, even if you're moving slower than you'd like" its okay to draw bad, if you improve little by little, you'll eventually get there. you can just redraw a good idea when you are much more skilled. Habits and Skills are like compound interest. progress is saved but not shown. | 0 | 63,144 | 7 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue6use | iud8cw8 | 1,667,151,162 | 1,667,136,287 | 7 | 1 | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 14,875 | 7 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iud8cw8 | iudkrrb | 1,667,136,287 | 1,667,142,015 | 1 | 5 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | 0 | 5,728 | 5 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iugnisk | iud8cw8 | 1,667,190,287 | 1,667,136,287 | 4 | 1 | Wasn’t it Picasso who had hundreds of his paintings unsold in storage? In a way every artist is their own worst critique. The way I rationalize it many artists don’t even reach mass appeal until post mortem, so I would jog, not sprint. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 54,000 | 4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iud8cw8 | iudhjkc | 1,667,136,287 | 1,667,140,614 | 1 | 4 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 0 | 4,327 | 4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlhwc | iud8cw8 | 1,667,142,327 | 1,667,136,287 | 5 | 1 | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 6,040 | 5 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iufl75a | iud8cw8 | 1,667,171,447 | 1,667,136,287 | 3 | 1 | I have a writers block, if I can change how I have writers block ,you can finish ,your art or how ever you break it down know a finish point, quit some how come back to your mediums. I was using drugs ,in a stupper, just rotten. And spoiled, making calls. I broke down and moved county and two across, starting fresh. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 35,160 | 3 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iuectir | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,153,466 | 40 | 17 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | 1 | 7,712 | 2.352941 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iudlm4a | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,142,376 | 40 | 11 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | 1 | 18,802 | 3.636364 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue9x4f | iuewdfe | 1,667,152,348 | 1,667,161,178 | 11 | 40 | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | 0 | 8,830 | 3.636364 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue3ivb | iuewdfe | 1,667,149,845 | 1,667,161,178 | 10 | 40 | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | 0 | 11,333 | 4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iuegcid | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,154,838 | 40 | 9 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | 1 | 6,340 | 4.444444 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iueabs7 | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,152,509 | 40 | 8 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | 1 | 8,669 | 5 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iue6use | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,151,162 | 40 | 7 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | 1 | 10,016 | 5.714286 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iudkrrb | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,142,015 | 40 | 5 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | 1 | 19,163 | 8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iudhjkc | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,140,614 | 40 | 4 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 20,564 | 10 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuewdfe | iudlhwc | 1,667,161,178 | 1,667,142,327 | 40 | 5 | Speaking as someone who suffers from the exact same issue, it is important for you understand that this is less of a drawing problem and more of a broader mental health problem that permeates every single aspect of your life. You love drawing and want nothing else than to be good at it, but you can't help beating yourself up for it. At a deeper psychological level, it may be that you feel that you lack self-worth, and you've subconsciously designated your drawings as a source of external worth to overcompensate for your difficulty in finding it within yourself. Finding a good therapist whom you can talk this through with is paramount. In the meantime, be kinder to yourself, and dare to piss off your inner critic by being reckless and imperfect. | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | 1 | 18,851 | 8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuectir | iudlm4a | 1,667,153,466 | 1,667,142,376 | 17 | 11 | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | 1 | 11,090 | 1.545455 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuectir | iue9x4f | 1,667,153,466 | 1,667,152,348 | 17 | 11 | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | 1 | 1,118 | 1.545455 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuectir | iue3ivb | 1,667,153,466 | 1,667,149,845 | 17 | 10 | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | 1 | 3,621 | 1.7 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iueabs7 | iuectir | 1,667,152,509 | 1,667,153,466 | 8 | 17 | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | 0 | 957 | 2.125 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue6use | iuectir | 1,667,151,162 | 1,667,153,466 | 7 | 17 | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | 0 | 2,304 | 2.428571 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuectir | iudkrrb | 1,667,153,466 | 1,667,142,015 | 17 | 5 | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | 1 | 11,451 | 3.4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuectir | iudhjkc | 1,667,153,466 | 1,667,140,614 | 17 | 4 | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 12,852 | 4.25 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlhwc | iuectir | 1,667,142,327 | 1,667,153,466 | 5 | 17 | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | I started drawing with a pen. No erasures, no steps back. Also finishing drawings in one go, every day a new page. You have to train your mind to not care about results. | 0 | 11,139 | 3.4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iuh3qfg | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,203,921 | 15 | 16 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 21,465 | 1.066667 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iudlm4a | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,142,376 | 15 | 11 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | 1 | 40,080 | 1.363636 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue9x4f | iug8zpg | 1,667,152,348 | 1,667,182,456 | 11 | 15 | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | 0 | 30,108 | 1.363636 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iue3ivb | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,149,845 | 15 | 10 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | 1 | 32,611 | 1.5 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iufecf1 | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,168,528 | 15 | 9 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 1 | 13,928 | 1.666667 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug1bu1 | iug8zpg | 1,667,178,850 | 1,667,182,456 | 9 | 15 | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | 0 | 3,606 | 1.666667 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuegcid | iug8zpg | 1,667,154,838 | 1,667,182,456 | 9 | 15 | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | 0 | 27,618 | 1.666667 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iueabs7 | iug8zpg | 1,667,152,509 | 1,667,182,456 | 8 | 15 | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | 0 | 29,947 | 1.875 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iue6use | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,151,162 | 15 | 7 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | 1 | 31,294 | 2.142857 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iudkrrb | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,142,015 | 15 | 5 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | 1 | 40,441 | 3 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iudhjkc | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,140,614 | 15 | 4 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 41,842 | 3.75 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iudlhwc | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,142,327 | 15 | 5 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | 1 | 40,129 | 3 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iufl75a | iug8zpg | 1,667,171,447 | 1,667,182,456 | 3 | 15 | I have a writers block, if I can change how I have writers block ,you can finish ,your art or how ever you break it down know a finish point, quit some how come back to your mediums. I was using drugs ,in a stupper, just rotten. And spoiled, making calls. I broke down and moved county and two across, starting fresh. | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | 0 | 11,009 | 5 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug8zpg | iuft6kr | 1,667,182,456 | 1,667,175,070 | 15 | -1 | Try to use the same mentality that I teach my children: mistakes are wonderful, as every mistake we make is an opportunity to learn. If we only ever did things perfect, we would never have he opportunity to grow and learn. So... Celebrate each mistake, or each item that isn't perfect, as that means you get to take the next step to becoming better. | Stop overthinking it. Draw for no other reason to draw. Your life is dependent on your artist skills. | 1 | 7,386 | -15 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlm4a | iuh3qfg | 1,667,142,376 | 1,667,203,921 | 11 | 16 | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 61,545 | 1.454545 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuh3qfg | iue9x4f | 1,667,203,921 | 1,667,152,348 | 16 | 11 | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | 1 | 51,573 | 1.454545 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iuh3qfg | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,203,921 | 11 | 16 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 17,620 | 1.454545 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuh3qfg | iue3ivb | 1,667,203,921 | 1,667,149,845 | 16 | 10 | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | 1 | 54,076 | 1.6 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iufecf1 | iuh3qfg | 1,667,168,528 | 1,667,203,921 | 9 | 16 | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 35,393 | 1.777778 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuh3qfg | iug1bu1 | 1,667,203,921 | 1,667,178,850 | 16 | 9 | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | 1 | 25,071 | 1.777778 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuegcid | iuh3qfg | 1,667,154,838 | 1,667,203,921 | 9 | 16 | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 49,083 | 1.777778 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuh3qfg | iueabs7 | 1,667,203,921 | 1,667,152,509 | 16 | 8 | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | 1 | 51,412 | 2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuh3qfg | iugyw9u | 1,667,203,921 | 1,667,199,431 | 16 | 7 | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | i'm reading Atomic Habits and the first thing James Clear says was "Your knowledge is a lagging measure of your learning habits" "if you're broke, but save a little bit every month, then you're on the path toward financial freedom, even if you're moving slower than you'd like" its okay to draw bad, if you improve little by little, you'll eventually get there. you can just redraw a good idea when you are much more skilled. Habits and Skills are like compound interest. progress is saved but not shown. | 1 | 4,490 | 2.285714 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuh3qfg | iue6use | 1,667,203,921 | 1,667,151,162 | 16 | 7 | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | 1 | 52,759 | 2.285714 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudkrrb | iuh3qfg | 1,667,142,015 | 1,667,203,921 | 5 | 16 | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 61,906 | 3.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iugnisk | iuh3qfg | 1,667,190,287 | 1,667,203,921 | 4 | 16 | Wasn’t it Picasso who had hundreds of his paintings unsold in storage? In a way every artist is their own worst critique. The way I rationalize it many artists don’t even reach mass appeal until post mortem, so I would jog, not sprint. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 13,634 | 4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudhjkc | iuh3qfg | 1,667,140,614 | 1,667,203,921 | 4 | 16 | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 63,307 | 4 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlhwc | iuh3qfg | 1,667,142,327 | 1,667,203,921 | 5 | 16 | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 61,594 | 3.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iufl75a | iuh3qfg | 1,667,171,447 | 1,667,203,921 | 3 | 16 | I have a writers block, if I can change how I have writers block ,you can finish ,your art or how ever you break it down know a finish point, quit some how come back to your mediums. I was using drugs ,in a stupper, just rotten. And spoiled, making calls. I broke down and moved county and two across, starting fresh. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 32,474 | 5.333333 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuft6kr | iuh3qfg | 1,667,175,070 | 1,667,203,921 | -1 | 16 | Stop overthinking it. Draw for no other reason to draw. Your life is dependent on your artist skills. | Don't compare yourself to your ideal. Compare yourself with your past self. Recognise that everything is progress in one way or another. Direct that progress as best you can, but don't get too attached to the speed of progress or individual data points. Focus on your overall journey. | 0 | 28,851 | -16 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlm4a | iudkrrb | 1,667,142,376 | 1,667,142,015 | 11 | 5 | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | 1 | 361 | 2.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudhjkc | iudlm4a | 1,667,140,614 | 1,667,142,376 | 4 | 11 | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | 0 | 1,762 | 2.75 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlhwc | iudlm4a | 1,667,142,327 | 1,667,142,376 | 5 | 11 | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | Just do it and stop putting so much importance on if it’s ”good” or not. You might have some perfectionism issues or have internalized messages from family members about your success level. You have to tune out those type of ideas and just do the work. Not every drawing is going to be great, so what, it’s all just practicing a craft. Says nothing about who you are, if you are successful, if you are lovable etc Do some stuff that is intentionally bad lol. Just start mark making and getting into the medium and realize that the world kept turning while you made some crap, but even that crap was fun and freeing and take a second look, maybe it’s not even crap. | 0 | 49 | 2.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue9x4f | iue3ivb | 1,667,152,348 | 1,667,149,845 | 11 | 10 | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | 1 | 2,503 | 1.1 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue9x4f | iue6use | 1,667,152,348 | 1,667,151,162 | 11 | 7 | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | 1 | 1,186 | 1.571429 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudkrrb | iue9x4f | 1,667,142,015 | 1,667,152,348 | 5 | 11 | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | 0 | 10,333 | 2.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue9x4f | iudhjkc | 1,667,152,348 | 1,667,140,614 | 11 | 4 | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 11,734 | 2.75 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue9x4f | iudlhwc | 1,667,152,348 | 1,667,142,327 | 11 | 5 | Hide the piece from your sight for at least a month, then take a fresh look at it. You’re true talent will surprise you. | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | 1 | 10,021 | 2.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iue3ivb | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,149,845 | 11 | 10 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | 1 | 36,456 | 1.1 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iufecf1 | iuggscq | 1,667,168,528 | 1,667,186,301 | 9 | 11 | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | 0 | 17,773 | 1.222222 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iug1bu1 | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,178,850 | 11 | 9 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | 1 | 7,451 | 1.222222 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuegcid | iuggscq | 1,667,154,838 | 1,667,186,301 | 9 | 11 | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | 0 | 31,463 | 1.222222 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iueabs7 | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,152,509 | 11 | 8 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | 1 | 33,792 | 1.375 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue6use | iuggscq | 1,667,151,162 | 1,667,186,301 | 7 | 11 | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | 0 | 35,139 | 1.571429 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudkrrb | iuggscq | 1,667,142,015 | 1,667,186,301 | 5 | 11 | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | 0 | 44,286 | 2.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iudhjkc | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,140,614 | 11 | 4 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 45,687 | 2.75 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlhwc | iuggscq | 1,667,142,327 | 1,667,186,301 | 5 | 11 | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | 0 | 43,974 | 2.2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuggscq | iufl75a | 1,667,186,301 | 1,667,171,447 | 11 | 3 | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | I have a writers block, if I can change how I have writers block ,you can finish ,your art or how ever you break it down know a finish point, quit some how come back to your mediums. I was using drugs ,in a stupper, just rotten. And spoiled, making calls. I broke down and moved county and two across, starting fresh. | 1 | 14,854 | 3.666667 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuft6kr | iuggscq | 1,667,175,070 | 1,667,186,301 | -1 | 11 | Stop overthinking it. Draw for no other reason to draw. Your life is dependent on your artist skills. | I honestly stop putting pressure on myself by timing how long I wanna spend drawing something like 10mins, 1hr, 30mins. And once my alarm goes off I stop drawing and I consider it done. For me it helps me not be so hard on myself because I only had 15mins with it so there's no way in hell it was gonna turn out masterful in the first place and in turn you'll learn to draw faster and how to kill your darlings easier. One day after your timer goes off you'll be able to look at it and think "wow this isn't too bad if I spend like 5 more minutes on it it'll look really good" and by that point you'll be able to make complete drawing pieces. Hope this helps a bit | 0 | 11,231 | -11 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudkrrb | iue3ivb | 1,667,142,015 | 1,667,149,845 | 5 | 10 | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | 0 | 7,830 | 2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue3ivb | iudhjkc | 1,667,149,845 | 1,667,140,614 | 10 | 4 | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 9,231 | 2.5 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue3ivb | iudlhwc | 1,667,149,845 | 1,667,142,327 | 10 | 5 | I didn’t read the other comments so somebody might have said it but: Creating and analysing/reviewing are two different processes, don’t combine them. Let yourself freely make something, analyse it later. Overthinking is the death of creativity. | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | 1 | 7,518 | 2 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iueabs7 | iufecf1 | 1,667,152,509 | 1,667,168,528 | 8 | 9 | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 0 | 16,019 | 1.125 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue6use | iufecf1 | 1,667,151,162 | 1,667,168,528 | 7 | 9 | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 0 | 17,366 | 1.285714 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudkrrb | iufecf1 | 1,667,142,015 | 1,667,168,528 | 5 | 9 | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 0 | 26,513 | 1.8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudhjkc | iufecf1 | 1,667,140,614 | 1,667,168,528 | 4 | 9 | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 0 | 27,914 | 2.25 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudlhwc | iufecf1 | 1,667,142,327 | 1,667,168,528 | 5 | 9 | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | Failure is a necessary and important stage in learning and success. Failure isn't shameful or wrong. It's a step in the process. If you're not happy with a drawing, it's progress toward a drawing you do like. | 0 | 26,201 | 1.8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iueabs7 | iug1bu1 | 1,667,152,509 | 1,667,178,850 | 8 | 9 | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | 0 | 26,341 | 1.125 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue6use | iug1bu1 | 1,667,151,162 | 1,667,178,850 | 7 | 9 | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | 0 | 27,688 | 1.285714 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug1bu1 | iudkrrb | 1,667,178,850 | 1,667,142,015 | 9 | 5 | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | 1 | 36,835 | 1.8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug1bu1 | iudhjkc | 1,667,178,850 | 1,667,140,614 | 9 | 4 | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | 1 | 38,236 | 2.25 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug1bu1 | iudlhwc | 1,667,178,850 | 1,667,142,327 | 9 | 5 | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | 1 | 36,523 | 1.8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug1bu1 | iufl75a | 1,667,178,850 | 1,667,171,447 | 9 | 3 | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | I have a writers block, if I can change how I have writers block ,you can finish ,your art or how ever you break it down know a finish point, quit some how come back to your mediums. I was using drugs ,in a stupper, just rotten. And spoiled, making calls. I broke down and moved county and two across, starting fresh. | 1 | 7,403 | 3 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iug1bu1 | iuft6kr | 1,667,178,850 | 1,667,175,070 | 9 | -1 | The only important drawing is the next one. We all have 1,000 bad drawings inside us. The faster we get through them, the faster we can get on with the good ones. | Stop overthinking it. Draw for no other reason to draw. Your life is dependent on your artist skills. | 1 | 3,780 | -9 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuegcid | iueabs7 | 1,667,154,838 | 1,667,152,509 | 9 | 8 | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | Practice making things without judging whether they are good or bad, whether you like them or dislike them. This is an important skill. Here are a few ideas that will help with this: First, people have wildly different taste. You can make a drawing and show it to 10 different people from different parts of your life. Ask them what they like or dislike about it. You will get 10 completely different answers. The only time you will get consistent feedback is if you ask people who were trained by the same teacher (usually part of a class, where people are judging by a learned set of standards). Naturally, many people will disagree with your taste in art. You will sometimes make something that suits your own taste, and other people will dislike it. They will point out flaws that you didn't notice before. Conversely, you will sometimes make things that seem "bad" to you (usually things you do easily and naturally that almost seem like mistakes) and people will appreciate things about them that never occurred to you. You will even find that your own taste in art changes dramatically as you get older. Decades from now, you may look back on something that you made today and fall in love with some aspects of it. There may also be things that you are very proud of today that you look back on as amateurish. There is also a phenomenon that many artists experience where their own art looks "bad" to them because they made it themselves, and they are too close to it. Seeing your own hand in art is a bit like listening to a recording of yourself. You aren't used to seeing yourself in the third person, so there is something unsettling about it at first. You need to get used to seeing your own art and get more comfortable with this feeling. The takeaway is to put less weight on what you, today, think looks good or bad. Realize this is entirely subjective. Instead of judging good or bad, like or dislike, focus on concrete, actionable metrics, based on the specific goals you were trying to achieve. For example: In class A, we are practicing varying the line width. I'm going to draw the same thing 3 times. Each time, I will try to vary the line width more. Do the task, then evaluate if you were successfully able to vary the line width more in drawing 3 than in drawing 1. Don't worry about trying to get every single aspect of every single drawing perfect. Over time, you will gradually do more of what you practice. Remember that nobody is born with the inmate ability to draw the way they want to. It's all practice. So practice practice practice. | 1 | 2,329 | 1.125 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iue6use | iuegcid | 1,667,151,162 | 1,667,154,838 | 7 | 9 | Something I tell my students often is to just consider each drawing an experiment. I don’t want 4 perfect drawings every semester, because when you’re learning you’re not going to make perfect drawings. I’m more excited by 50+ unfinished, rough drawings, where I can see progress and learning throughout. I’d suggest thinking of your drawing this way. Continue learning, make mistakes and learn from them, and understand that it’s not going to be perfect, but each time you make an attempt you’re learning something and you’re developing the sensitivity of your motor skills to be able to draw more effectively. | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | 0 | 3,676 | 1.285714 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudkrrb | iuegcid | 1,667,142,015 | 1,667,154,838 | 5 | 9 | A local street poet once said, "you only think it's shit because you made it". For me, this made me realize that a lot of self deprecation is connected to a deeper sense of self deprecation that goes further than art. Realizing this allowed me to identify part of the source of my self deprecation regarding art: I dismiss myself in general so dismissing my own art comes naturally. This way, I can recognize that when I diss my own art, it's a reflection of how I treat myself. I would never tell a friend or even a stranger "that sketch sucks and you might as well give up now", but I tell it to myself all the time. Treating the self with more respect and identifying when you're targeting yourself because the creator is YOU can really help. It's a good practice to reflect: "would I say this to my closest friend?" The answer is usually no! And if it isn't, you may wanna avoid comparing yourself to others as this can cause a lot of feelings of being behind or "not-talented". Your journey is your own and your ability to reflect is as good of a sign that you are always improving. | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | 0 | 12,823 | 1.8 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iudhjkc | iuegcid | 1,667,140,614 | 1,667,154,838 | 4 | 9 | Just keep drawing. You’re going to suck for a long time and there’s simply no way to avoid it. Instead of trying to enjoy the end result, you need to make the process enjoyable. So have your favorite music on, pick some cool reference and draw for like an hour a day max so you don’t burn yourself out. Don’t draw anything you don’t care about. Draw the things that made you want to draw in the first place. If you sit there trying to learn the ‘right’ things because that’s what some authority says will make you better, you will burn yourself out. Joy is the only thing that will get you through this. Also draw stuff that is easy for you to draw instead of always ‘challenging yourself’. You need to give yourself some small wins else you will burn yourself out. There will eventually come a point when you feel like your skills are ok enough for you to attempt to draw anything and that’s a really cool feeling. | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | 0 | 14,224 | 2.25 | ||
yhe89f | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | how to stop self deprecating whenever a drawing doesn't turn out well? This problem has really been plaguing me for the past 4 years, and it really prevents me from getting better in general. Each drawing has to turn out well else, the longer I go at it the chances of me giving up on it just increases exponentially, i came to the conclusion that it wasn't helpful at all long ago, yet i can't get over this no matter how hard i try. (fyi, i do go see a school counsellor.) This has caused a great deal of stagnation in my progress, and it only gets worse because the more i acknowledge how stagnant i am in my progress and seeing others get better and better, just makes me spiral into self deprecation more and more. not only that i have absolutely no idea how to get out of this rut. i would love to hear how you overcame this problem, thanks :D | iuegcid | iudlhwc | 1,667,154,838 | 1,667,142,327 | 9 | 5 | There's no comparison of your art to others, that's the stagnation. Your gifts come within not the lense or talents of someone else. There no comparison especially since you don't know how long it took for people to get to certain stages. If you're drawing, you aren't stagnant at all because there's progress regardless of the expectations you have. Perhaps your art style is evolving and you having expectations of it to look a certain way is sort of blinding you to the potential it has to become? Try different tools to draw with, use your opposite hand or if what you see as a mistake happens, let your art flow with it a d maybe the drawing becomes something else rather than what you intended. You're also enforcing your beliefs that you're stagnant by telling yourself you're stagnant...that's literally training your brain not only to look for the proof of you not improving, but cementing the idea. Just change that self talk to my art is constantly evolving and taking new forms or something. Maybe take up yoga or something new with your physical being and see how the perspectives change and evolve your being. Best of everything! | You need to A. Shut out distractions and other artists that you would compare yourself to. Manage your environment so the only time you look at other's work is when it is for something positive. People today are exhausted by how much defense they do from all the information. TV ads, social media, parents, friend groups, etc. Everyone wants something from you and you have to manage yourself before you can give the world a piece. B. Stop unrealistically expecting so much from yourself like you need to be like the masters you are comparing yourself to. Every day is one step and you are not a superhero who can fly. C. If you are overwhelmed by your tasks and failing to do them "well," then you need to STOP and break those tasks down into something easier to digest. Perspective starts with boxes, value starts with shapes or fruit, drawing humans starts with gesture that's like 4 lines. You gotta relax and take it slow or you will burnout and it's gonna be tougher. If these fail or you still have problems, don't infect anyone else cause we are all out here trying to improve. | 1 | 12,511 | 1.8 |
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