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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
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Should we try? I do it everyday, unless something is really urgent. Then and only then am I willing to stay longer. During the interview I specifically asked how does a regular work week look like. The response was 40 hours a week. Something obviously smelled fishy as the interview was at 7pm in the office on a friday and everyone was still there. Fast foward 6 months, still the first one to leave work everyday after 8 hours, no fucks given. There were a couple of stunned looks early on from other employees that I do not fold to peer pressure and try to "shine" especially as a new coworker. There has to be a healthy balance between work and personal life. Shit, even 8 hours in an office in front of a computer is too unhealthy and unnatural.
I’m still a student, and I’m scared of the 40 hour week. More a 9 to 5 actually, I don’t want to feel like I’m wasting the best part of the day just to live for the weekend. In school we work on projects when they need to be worked on. I feel like architecture can be more flexible, where we don’t have to rely on someone else’s shitty design of what a work week should be.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
eje6pjm
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Should we try? I do it everyday, unless something is really urgent. Then and only then am I willing to stay longer. During the interview I specifically asked how does a regular work week look like. The response was 40 hours a week. Something obviously smelled fishy as the interview was at 7pm in the office on a friday and everyone was still there. Fast foward 6 months, still the first one to leave work everyday after 8 hours, no fucks given. There were a couple of stunned looks early on from other employees that I do not fold to peer pressure and try to "shine" especially as a new coworker. There has to be a healthy balance between work and personal life. Shit, even 8 hours in an office in front of a computer is too unhealthy and unnatural.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/four-day-work-week-good-for-business/10030902
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
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Do not leave Architecture! These issues are systemic and we need to make changes from within. Look at organizations like the Architecture Lobby who are advocating for the value of the discipline and architecture workers. Listen to Peggy Deamer talk about the issues with Architecture conflating our dedication to the practice with our willingness to work. http://architecture-lobby.org https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=joD3ksS3FjQ And read this article on refusal to work as a way to reclaim agency/power. http://www.harvarddesignmagazine.org/issues/46/refusal-after-refusal "Architecture is a form of labor that masquerades as a labor of love. It contains within it the promise of fulfillment, of happiness. In her book The Promise of Happiness (2010), Sara Ahmed interrogates the normative function of happiness, how it serves as a means of orienting behavior and, in the process, is often deployed as a justification for oppression. That is, what it means to be happy is circumscribed culturally. 'In wishing for happiness we wish to be associated with happiness, which means to be associated with its associations,' Ahmed writes.16 Work should make us happy and fulfilled—even more so when it’s 'creative,' an assumption imbued with classist undertones. This draws young people toward architecture school; it makes the burden of debt, harsh working conditions, and low wages appear as an acceptable 'price to pay'."
I’m still a student, and I’m scared of the 40 hour week. More a 9 to 5 actually, I don’t want to feel like I’m wasting the best part of the day just to live for the weekend. In school we work on projects when they need to be worked on. I feel like architecture can be more flexible, where we don’t have to rely on someone else’s shitty design of what a work week should be.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
eje47qj
eje85oc
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/four-day-work-week-good-for-business/10030902
Do not leave Architecture! These issues are systemic and we need to make changes from within. Look at organizations like the Architecture Lobby who are advocating for the value of the discipline and architecture workers. Listen to Peggy Deamer talk about the issues with Architecture conflating our dedication to the practice with our willingness to work. http://architecture-lobby.org https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=joD3ksS3FjQ And read this article on refusal to work as a way to reclaim agency/power. http://www.harvarddesignmagazine.org/issues/46/refusal-after-refusal "Architecture is a form of labor that masquerades as a labor of love. It contains within it the promise of fulfillment, of happiness. In her book The Promise of Happiness (2010), Sara Ahmed interrogates the normative function of happiness, how it serves as a means of orienting behavior and, in the process, is often deployed as a justification for oppression. That is, what it means to be happy is circumscribed culturally. 'In wishing for happiness we wish to be associated with happiness, which means to be associated with its associations,' Ahmed writes.16 Work should make us happy and fulfilled—even more so when it’s 'creative,' an assumption imbued with classist undertones. This draws young people toward architecture school; it makes the burden of debt, harsh working conditions, and low wages appear as an acceptable 'price to pay'."
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
eje6nz5
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I’m still a student, and I’m scared of the 40 hour week. More a 9 to 5 actually, I don’t want to feel like I’m wasting the best part of the day just to live for the weekend. In school we work on projects when they need to be worked on. I feel like architecture can be more flexible, where we don’t have to rely on someone else’s shitty design of what a work week should be.
It definitely needs to change. I've been lucky enough to work in practises where overtime is not expected, but I've also never subscribed to the nonsense that grads are expected to work until they drop. My current employer has a 37.5 hour week and that is so nice! I'll usually do 40 or a little more but I don't feel like I have to at all. If I do 40 I'm already over time! Of course I'll stay late for deadlines though. Some of my colleagues go pretty hard and have the "architecture is life" mentality. Good for them. Architecture is my job. I love it, but I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't have to work for a living lol.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
eje47qj
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/four-day-work-week-good-for-business/10030902
It definitely needs to change. I've been lucky enough to work in practises where overtime is not expected, but I've also never subscribed to the nonsense that grads are expected to work until they drop. My current employer has a 37.5 hour week and that is so nice! I'll usually do 40 or a little more but I don't feel like I have to at all. If I do 40 I'm already over time! Of course I'll stay late for deadlines though. Some of my colleagues go pretty hard and have the "architecture is life" mentality. Good for them. Architecture is my job. I love it, but I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't have to work for a living lol.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
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We have timesheets at the office for tracking the work we put in our projects. I added a field for calculating my daily average time, I try to keep that around 8.25 hours. Had a job where we used to leave well after midnight, and start the next day at 9 am again. The problem is, the customers, contractors and other engineers expect us to work 24/7.
It definitely needs to change. I've been lucky enough to work in practises where overtime is not expected, but I've also never subscribed to the nonsense that grads are expected to work until they drop. My current employer has a 37.5 hour week and that is so nice! I'll usually do 40 or a little more but I don't feel like I have to at all. If I do 40 I'm already over time! Of course I'll stay late for deadlines though. Some of my colleagues go pretty hard and have the "architecture is life" mentality. Good for them. Architecture is my job. I love it, but I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't have to work for a living lol.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejeibnj
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Only working a 4 day week since 2 years. Whole agency does. Don’t let work be the center of your life. I only get 80% of the “normal” salary, but a little bit more time.
I’m still a student, and I’m scared of the 40 hour week. More a 9 to 5 actually, I don’t want to feel like I’m wasting the best part of the day just to live for the weekend. In school we work on projects when they need to be worked on. I feel like architecture can be more flexible, where we don’t have to rely on someone else’s shitty design of what a work week should be.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
eje47qj
ejeibnj
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/four-day-work-week-good-for-business/10030902
Only working a 4 day week since 2 years. Whole agency does. Don’t let work be the center of your life. I only get 80% of the “normal” salary, but a little bit more time.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejeibnj
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Only working a 4 day week since 2 years. Whole agency does. Don’t let work be the center of your life. I only get 80% of the “normal” salary, but a little bit more time.
We have timesheets at the office for tracking the work we put in our projects. I added a field for calculating my daily average time, I try to keep that around 8.25 hours. Had a job where we used to leave well after midnight, and start the next day at 9 am again. The problem is, the customers, contractors and other engineers expect us to work 24/7.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
eje47qj
eje6nz5
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/four-day-work-week-good-for-business/10030902
I’m still a student, and I’m scared of the 40 hour week. More a 9 to 5 actually, I don’t want to feel like I’m wasting the best part of the day just to live for the weekend. In school we work on projects when they need to be worked on. I feel like architecture can be more flexible, where we don’t have to rely on someone else’s shitty design of what a work week should be.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejeu88u
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You guys should try Japan/Singapore. I work 13 hours a day now on average. Not counting some weekends.
Just some clarification. But I feel like the only firms I’ve worked for expect 9 hour work days. 8 hours of work with a 1 hour lunch. Lunch is often worked through where you sit at your desk. This to me is too much time in the office but I’d slightly offset by flexible arrive/leave office hours
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejfiflb
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Just some clarification. But I feel like the only firms I’ve worked for expect 9 hour work days. 8 hours of work with a 1 hour lunch. Lunch is often worked through where you sit at your desk. This to me is too much time in the office but I’d slightly offset by flexible arrive/leave office hours
Honestly I think designing good architecture is barely possible in a 40 hour week, at least in terms of major architecture projects. There is too much iteration, testing, coordination, modeling, curve-balls, deadlines, etc. to do. I've worked on a few bigger projects where everyone just wandered out at 5:30 every day, and the results have been, at best, bland and valueless. There is so much inertia against good architecture coming from literally every angle, and in my experience, fighting that effectively has always taken the collective us more than 40 hour weeks.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejererx
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40 hours a week in architecture ain't shit. Try 80 hours a week as a laborer. I typically work 35 hours/week at the office, then put in about 3-4 hours a night on my personal projects.
Just some clarification. But I feel like the only firms I’ve worked for expect 9 hour work days. 8 hours of work with a 1 hour lunch. Lunch is often worked through where you sit at your desk. This to me is too much time in the office but I’d slightly offset by flexible arrive/leave office hours
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejeu88u
ejfqrxt
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You guys should try Japan/Singapore. I work 13 hours a day now on average. Not counting some weekends.
yes, we should
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejfqrxt
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yes, we should
Honestly I think designing good architecture is barely possible in a 40 hour week, at least in terms of major architecture projects. There is too much iteration, testing, coordination, modeling, curve-balls, deadlines, etc. to do. I've worked on a few bigger projects where everyone just wandered out at 5:30 every day, and the results have been, at best, bland and valueless. There is so much inertia against good architecture coming from literally every angle, and in my experience, fighting that effectively has always taken the collective us more than 40 hour weeks.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejererx
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40 hours a week in architecture ain't shit. Try 80 hours a week as a laborer. I typically work 35 hours/week at the office, then put in about 3-4 hours a night on my personal projects.
yes, we should
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejghzrj
ejfvfga
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The last 3 firms I’ve worked in didn’t require OT, though the one I was at before fully compensated you for it (straight time). My current one straight up does not allow it, and it’s provided me with incredible work/life balance. I cannot believe so many people posting have not looked around for better firms to work at. Seriously. This economy is the ideal time to play musical chairs and find a better professional situation for yourselves. Every firm I know of is hiring but one, since they’re so shell shocked by how much they had to retract during the recession. Life is too short to work yourself to death prematurely.
Huge agree.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
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The last 3 firms I’ve worked in didn’t require OT, though the one I was at before fully compensated you for it (straight time). My current one straight up does not allow it, and it’s provided me with incredible work/life balance. I cannot believe so many people posting have not looked around for better firms to work at. Seriously. This economy is the ideal time to play musical chairs and find a better professional situation for yourselves. Every firm I know of is hiring but one, since they’re so shell shocked by how much they had to retract during the recession. Life is too short to work yourself to death prematurely.
You guys should try Japan/Singapore. I work 13 hours a day now on average. Not counting some weekends.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejghzrj
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The last 3 firms I’ve worked in didn’t require OT, though the one I was at before fully compensated you for it (straight time). My current one straight up does not allow it, and it’s provided me with incredible work/life balance. I cannot believe so many people posting have not looked around for better firms to work at. Seriously. This economy is the ideal time to play musical chairs and find a better professional situation for yourselves. Every firm I know of is hiring but one, since they’re so shell shocked by how much they had to retract during the recession. Life is too short to work yourself to death prematurely.
Honestly I think designing good architecture is barely possible in a 40 hour week, at least in terms of major architecture projects. There is too much iteration, testing, coordination, modeling, curve-balls, deadlines, etc. to do. I've worked on a few bigger projects where everyone just wandered out at 5:30 every day, and the results have been, at best, bland and valueless. There is so much inertia against good architecture coming from literally every angle, and in my experience, fighting that effectively has always taken the collective us more than 40 hour weeks.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejererx
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40 hours a week in architecture ain't shit. Try 80 hours a week as a laborer. I typically work 35 hours/week at the office, then put in about 3-4 hours a night on my personal projects.
The last 3 firms I’ve worked in didn’t require OT, though the one I was at before fully compensated you for it (straight time). My current one straight up does not allow it, and it’s provided me with incredible work/life balance. I cannot believe so many people posting have not looked around for better firms to work at. Seriously. This economy is the ideal time to play musical chairs and find a better professional situation for yourselves. Every firm I know of is hiring but one, since they’re so shell shocked by how much they had to retract during the recession. Life is too short to work yourself to death prematurely.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejeu88u
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You guys should try Japan/Singapore. I work 13 hours a day now on average. Not counting some weekends.
Huge agree.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejevhmm
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Honestly I think designing good architecture is barely possible in a 40 hour week, at least in terms of major architecture projects. There is too much iteration, testing, coordination, modeling, curve-balls, deadlines, etc. to do. I've worked on a few bigger projects where everyone just wandered out at 5:30 every day, and the results have been, at best, bland and valueless. There is so much inertia against good architecture coming from literally every angle, and in my experience, fighting that effectively has always taken the collective us more than 40 hour weeks.
Huge agree.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejererx
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40 hours a week in architecture ain't shit. Try 80 hours a week as a laborer. I typically work 35 hours/week at the office, then put in about 3-4 hours a night on my personal projects.
Huge agree.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejererx
ejeu88u
1,553,600,171
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40 hours a week in architecture ain't shit. Try 80 hours a week as a laborer. I typically work 35 hours/week at the office, then put in about 3-4 hours a night on my personal projects.
You guys should try Japan/Singapore. I work 13 hours a day now on average. Not counting some weekends.
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[Ask] Should we try to challenge the idea that we have to work more than 40 hrs/week just because that has “always” been expected of us? I’ve been working in architecture for about 4 years now. I love architecture and I love what I do. I truly enjoy most of what I do everyday. However, while I willingly put in more than 40 hours if necessary; I despise the fact that our profession seems to think it’s perfectly fine and “normal” to set unrealistic dates that force us into overtime. We work to live, we don’t live to work. I think the perspective that architects should expect to put in more than 40 hours on a regular basis is outdated and is detrimental to our personal lives. Therefore it is something that we need to challenge and excise from the profession. Does anyone else feel this way? Or should those of us who feel this way just look for another profession?
ejererx
ejevhmm
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40 hours a week in architecture ain't shit. Try 80 hours a week as a laborer. I typically work 35 hours/week at the office, then put in about 3-4 hours a night on my personal projects.
Honestly I think designing good architecture is barely possible in a 40 hour week, at least in terms of major architecture projects. There is too much iteration, testing, coordination, modeling, curve-balls, deadlines, etc. to do. I've worked on a few bigger projects where everyone just wandered out at 5:30 every day, and the results have been, at best, bland and valueless. There is so much inertia against good architecture coming from literally every angle, and in my experience, fighting that effectively has always taken the collective us more than 40 hour weeks.
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Anyone up for a portfolio critique? Hello everyone! I've noticed everyone here seems very open and very knowledgeable, so I thought I'd turn to you to seek advice: I've recently been (sadly) rejected from an elite programme offered by my university, which left me pretty sad to say the least (and made me feel a bit inadequate), but at the same time pushed me to try and improve my portfolio etc. So I spent a couple of days fine-tuning it, adding some information and changing my CV along with it. I was wondering if someone would like to check it out and give me any impression about it. I've selected only 3 projects, one of them being my thesis, because I felt that adding too many projects I wasn't so sure of, would have just been worse. They are only from my university time because I didn't have yet the chance to actually work outside of it. Also new addition is the final part about architectural representation, do you think it works? Should I add more examples? Along with it I was thinking whether it would make sense to add some of my photography, of course the shots related to architecture, since I'm really passionate about it. Sorry for the very long post, but I'll be happy to hear back from any of you!
h3yctf7
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FAU USP? I like your job! I am not an architect but I feel you could show something more experimental and more images showing the final aesthetics of your project.
It's very high quality work, but I think adding a couple more projects would be good. It still feels a bit thin to me - your images at the end show you have more projects you should not be embarrassed to include! Just be confident and include them, they're more likely to show that you CAN do something that a firm is looking for. Also, it may just be because I'm on mobile, but it's not displaying as spreads for me. So if that's possible to fix it would be great.
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[Ask] should my portfolio show my best work or all of my work for a student? My first year I didn't have a great project and I don't want to show it in my portfolio but should I still include the project just to show my timeline throughout university?
fcafyna
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You should have multiple portfolios. Work sample - two to three pages of your absolute best. Sent with a resume Interview portfolio-somewhere in the 15-20 page range. Bring to interviews. I wouldn’t include anything your not comfortable with, you don’t wanna be second guessing yourself mid interview. Full portfolio-everything you have ever done.
If it was presented nicely, i’d still put my first year work in if i were you. I noticed that I appreciated the free-form playful thought process i had back then, more so than in my master’s projects
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How to have a successful career in architecture? I'm an architecture student and I was curious about it.
h2ovvl8
h2p2yuv
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Know your role, but dont let people walk over you, make friends with leadership, and dont be afraid to offer your input on team meetings. Also if you’re pushing for a deadline, dont just clock out at 5 just because you put in your 8 hours, make sure everything and everyone on your team is in a good place before loggin off. And always keep iterating on your portfolio
You need to figure out what you want from your life first, and then you can determine how your career fits into that. A 'successful' career will mean different things depending on how you want your life to look. To some, a 'successful' career would be 40 hours a week and spending more time on vacation and with family and friends. Other, a 'successful' career is being published every year and rubbing shoulders with the power brokers. Probably for most, it's somewhere in between. But unless you know what you want (at least at that particular season of life) first, you'll never be able to be 'successful'.
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How to have a successful career in architecture? I'm an architecture student and I was curious about it.
h2pc0oy
h2ovvl8
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Promises and executive decisions get you in more trouble than anything else. Everything should be discussed and decided as a team. Nothing is certain, not the approval process, not the price per SF, not the availability of items or engineers, so there's no point in guaranteeing that it can be done. Its better to lower expectations and overdeliver. Why make a deadline or deliverable that creates stress and leaves no room for errors? Never tell someone how much you think a project costs. That's the contractors and estimators job and there are way too many moving pieces to be accurate. What you can do is say "we had a similar project that was built for \~$650 per sqft" and let them do the math. Document EVERYTHING. Every discussion, opinion, material selection, date, EVERYTHING. That's why emails are so great. Plus memories fade and opinions change. Writing is eternal. You work for the CLIENT. Its their money and their decision, even if its a stupid ass decision. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant, but if there is a fact such as a 1ft6in wide door is nearly impossible to fit through, then you should bring that to light asap. Because down the line they will ask "why didnt you tell us blah blah blah" As far as office culture, be calm and solution oriented. Yelling solves nothing. Saying "this doesn't work" solves nothing. Be more "this looks off, lets try doing..." Being a "nay sayor" and not bringing solutions to the table makes you a negative asset. Leave work at work, and avoid overtime. I cant think of anything that cant wait a day, a weekend, or a week, other than someones ego. Deadlines come and go, and if something "has to be ready for this meeting in an hour" then that is bad time management and doing something rushed and half ass is worse than saying "we need more time to work it out". Keep your models and info organized and consistent. Keep and maintain and update office standards and systems. Be precise and accurate. Stay focused. Good Luck
Know your role, but dont let people walk over you, make friends with leadership, and dont be afraid to offer your input on team meetings. Also if you’re pushing for a deadline, dont just clock out at 5 just because you put in your 8 hours, make sure everything and everyone on your team is in a good place before loggin off. And always keep iterating on your portfolio
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How to have a successful career in architecture? I'm an architecture student and I was curious about it.
h2ovvl8
h2pm2x6
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Know your role, but dont let people walk over you, make friends with leadership, and dont be afraid to offer your input on team meetings. Also if you’re pushing for a deadline, dont just clock out at 5 just because you put in your 8 hours, make sure everything and everyone on your team is in a good place before loggin off. And always keep iterating on your portfolio
Become proficient at communicating, it's virtually all we do. School gets you rolling on how to communicate design ideas and how to communicate graphically through representations but there will still be a lot to improve on. Learn from people who can carry ideas through building and not let them get beat down by clients, contractors, boards etc..all of these groups are not your enemy but will require different tactful approaches. Learn to produce but also delegate. Nobody wants a team that falls apart because one person on vacation or sick causes an implosion. You also don't want that kind of stress.
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
hzgwpug
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Architecture used to be a career for the elite because it's something you do for the sake of it and not for making a living. So, if you come from a wealthy family, go ahead, but if you don't it's like trying to become an actor or a singer.
If you are passionate about architecture, become an architect. You have to do it because you want to. If you want lots of free time, money, and nice things, look elsewhere. Development, construction management, and other degrees will get you more of those things in a field adjacent to architecture.
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t7ctr7
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
hzh0zns
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If you don’t mind that 90% or more of the time you put in has nothing to do with design and that the 10% you might get to do will be dictated by the client who probably doesn’t care about design, and if you want to do all that while being responsible for coordinating everyone else’s work, looking for mistakes, and being asked to do two weeks worth of work in one every single week while getting paid the same as a bank teller or a restaurant manager… jump in. Bottom line. Lots of education, responsibility, time, effort, communication, and pressure for not a lot of money.
If you are passionate about architecture, become an architect. You have to do it because you want to. If you want lots of free time, money, and nice things, look elsewhere. Development, construction management, and other degrees will get you more of those things in a field adjacent to architecture.
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
hzh1snx
hzh1mr8
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If you are passionate about architecture, become an architect. You have to do it because you want to. If you want lots of free time, money, and nice things, look elsewhere. Development, construction management, and other degrees will get you more of those things in a field adjacent to architecture.
Research about architecture and being an Architect. What’s your reasons why do you wanna take up architecture? If its about money, there are other major who gives a lot more. Practicing architecture is hard. In general, it needs a lot of hard-work, patience and time. Architects are late bloomers, it takes a lot of time to master our craft. Its a rewarding profession tho because once you see your project being built and you have a satisfied client. Just ask here. Im willing to listen and answer.
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
hzh7pgo
hzh1mr8
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My recommendation is that unless you want and have the means and capacity to eventually start your own practice, whether sole-practitioner or studio, don't do architecture. The hours are long, the process to finish school is difficult, and the pay is not great. Starting your own studio is difficult, especially since you need to understand the business side of things. But it can be a good path to make a good income, although not overnight. It's also far more rewarding. But keep in mind that the difference between successful studios and the ones that fail, is good business sense, not architectural talent.
Research about architecture and being an Architect. What’s your reasons why do you wanna take up architecture? If its about money, there are other major who gives a lot more. Practicing architecture is hard. In general, it needs a lot of hard-work, patience and time. Architects are late bloomers, it takes a lot of time to master our craft. Its a rewarding profession tho because once you see your project being built and you have a satisfied client. Just ask here. Im willing to listen and answer.
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t7ctr7
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
hzhay7g
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Well the same is true in many professions. Unless you love what you are doing you won’t be happy. Now is it tolerable? Yes. Will you make enough to be secure? Yes, as long as you live within your means it’s a decent living. But are you going to make as much as a similar ‘HSW’ licensed profession? No. Lawyers, Doctors, Contractors, engineers, etc will all make more than an Architect. (*They also think we make as much as them so when they are your clients they think you’re rolling in cash.) The best advice I ever got before entering architecture school, from a much older Architect, was this: ‘If you can imagine being happy and doing anything else for a living then you need to do that. If not, then this is for you.’ And it’s true, but I’d wager it could be true of anything you choose to do. I personally get allot of satisfaction seeing a projects completed even the lowly Burger King remodel up to a 12 story apartment complex and anything in between.
As an architect in the developed world most of the time, you are just dealing with various laws, regulations , contracts, and permits. Very little time and budget left for design unless you are a super star architect. If you come from a rich family with good connections, then it might be worth it. Some architects are smart enough to be developers instead, and many of those are doing very well. But to be like them, you need skill beyond being an architect. You need to be good at running business, financing projects, marketing, and management. Those are skills most architects typically lack.
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
hzhajvt
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As an architect in the developed world most of the time, you are just dealing with various laws, regulations , contracts, and permits. Very little time and budget left for design unless you are a super star architect. If you come from a rich family with good connections, then it might be worth it. Some architects are smart enough to be developers instead, and many of those are doing very well. But to be like them, you need skill beyond being an architect. You need to be good at running business, financing projects, marketing, and management. Those are skills most architects typically lack.
Research about architecture and being an Architect. What’s your reasons why do you wanna take up architecture? If its about money, there are other major who gives a lot more. Practicing architecture is hard. In general, it needs a lot of hard-work, patience and time. Architects are late bloomers, it takes a lot of time to master our craft. Its a rewarding profession tho because once you see your project being built and you have a satisfied client. Just ask here. Im willing to listen and answer.
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
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Research about architecture and being an Architect. What’s your reasons why do you wanna take up architecture? If its about money, there are other major who gives a lot more. Practicing architecture is hard. In general, it needs a lot of hard-work, patience and time. Architects are late bloomers, it takes a lot of time to master our craft. Its a rewarding profession tho because once you see your project being built and you have a satisfied client. Just ask here. Im willing to listen and answer.
Well the same is true in many professions. Unless you love what you are doing you won’t be happy. Now is it tolerable? Yes. Will you make enough to be secure? Yes, as long as you live within your means it’s a decent living. But are you going to make as much as a similar ‘HSW’ licensed profession? No. Lawyers, Doctors, Contractors, engineers, etc will all make more than an Architect. (*They also think we make as much as them so when they are your clients they think you’re rolling in cash.) The best advice I ever got before entering architecture school, from a much older Architect, was this: ‘If you can imagine being happy and doing anything else for a living then you need to do that. If not, then this is for you.’ And it’s true, but I’d wager it could be true of anything you choose to do. I personally get allot of satisfaction seeing a projects completed even the lowly Burger King remodel up to a 12 story apartment complex and anything in between.
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Suggestion/ Advice/ Anything for an Aspiring Architect I have been on this subreddit for quite some time, and every time there is a post that relates to whether architecture as a profession is worth it (in terms of the amount you get paid for the effort you put in), a majority of the replies would say no. That being an architect is sort of an unrewarding job. Although I am still a high school senior who is waiting for the responses back from half of the universities I have applied to, I was wondering if in 5-8 years things could change for the better, or are there side hustle I could do to support myself after college. I am asking this because I am an international student who is looking to settle or work abroad as an architect. PS: I have talked to an alumnus of my high school who is currently a 4th-year student at Cornell, and he seems to share the same sentiment as almost all the architects in this subreddit. He said he wished he chose another profession. With all these negative comments about the profession, I still want to pursue this profession. Am I crazy lol? I am open to any advice and suggestions that will help guide me in this profession. I'm hopeful that all the practicing architects/ current architecture students/ interns in the subreddit can help me out.
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Research about architecture and being an Architect. What’s your reasons why do you wanna take up architecture? If its about money, there are other major who gives a lot more. Practicing architecture is hard. In general, it needs a lot of hard-work, patience and time. Architects are late bloomers, it takes a lot of time to master our craft. Its a rewarding profession tho because once you see your project being built and you have a satisfied client. Just ask here. Im willing to listen and answer.
Idk, this sub is very negative. I love being an architect. I also loved architecture school, and I feel like I make enough money to be comfortable at least. Yeah it’s stressful and I complain about it (but I complain about everything lol) but I can’t imagine myself doing anything else. The firm I work for is flexible with my hours so I can have a nice work life balance too, which is very important to me. But you have to be very dedicated and passionate about architecture if you want to enjoy it. But if you really, really love it, it’s all totally worth it. Just my two cents.
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[Ask] Books about Gothic architecture? I don't know if this kind of questions is allowed, but i came to this sub in the hopes that the wiki would have some sort of reading list, but alas it doesn't. I am absolutely fascinated by gothic architecture and i am hoping that you can recommend a book or two to read about it. Preferrably not professional literature, as i am not an architect or engineer; something accessible to a general audience would be nice. As for the subject matter, something historical would be nice, maybe about the general tenets or conventions of this style. Any advice is much appreciated :)
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My go to recommendation on this topic is How to Build a Cathedral by Malcolm Hislop. It is filled with many great illustrations that convey ideas in a graspable way for kids as well as adults. A great book for a gift.
*Gothic Architecture (History of World Architecture)* by Louis Grodecki is another. Gives a great overview of its history and perspectives from both societal structures and design criterias. I'm reading it right now actually. :)
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Architectural Theory Books for Planners [Ask] Hello, As a planner I've become more and more interested in the design of the projects that I've been involved in. I also have a keen interest in the history of architectural styles. So I'm looking for some book recommendations, firstly one that is more of a teaching-style book explaining architectural concepts, styles and terminology. Then perhaps books analysing architectural history, particularly the times of modernism and brutalism. I've already got Le Corbusier's 'Towards a New Architecture' on my list! Thanks in advance!
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Theory and concepts don't change (if they're correct) so a lot of the older books are just as good, and they're free online. I like John Beverly Robinson's Principles of Architectural Composition. I second Christopher Alexander's work. A lot of it overlaps with planning and urban design. I imagine as a planner you read Jane Jacobs, Kevin Lynch, William White, Jan Gehl?
The Image of the City by Kevin Lynch. A Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander. The Poetics of Space by Gaston Bachelard. Architecture, Form, Space & Order by Francis Ching. If these prove useful, pls let me know, and I will suggest others. Take care.
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[ASK] Looking for the name of an architectural style Hello! I for got the name of this style, it redesigns buildings that have been partially destroyed, but incorporates the destroyed portion as part of the design. Thanks!
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Anastylosis? But I wouldn't say its a style, it's defined more as a method of reconstruction used for some historic monuments. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastylosis
Adaptive Reuse?
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
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What programs are going to be used?
You can go for MSI GE75 Raider-023 : Specifications: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080 8G GDDR6 RAM : 32 GB Display: 1920x1080 pixels More details here Also check out this post - what hardware are needed in a laptop for architecture work - architecture laptop
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
eguyr4m
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I'm a MacBook Pro kind of guy (if price isn't a thing for you, get top of the line specs, lots of storage you'll be Boot Camping and depend on a eGPU). But I really like the Huawei MateBook X Pro and the ASUS ZenBook, maybe even look at the Razer Blade. Mind you, I did pick a lot of laptops that also have quite the aesthetics as well, I'm not a fan of those ugly bulky gaming machines out there.
You can go for MSI GE75 Raider-023 : Specifications: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080 8G GDDR6 RAM : 32 GB Display: 1920x1080 pixels More details here Also check out this post - what hardware are needed in a laptop for architecture work - architecture laptop
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
egv87gv
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Currently I’m enrolled in my 4th year at Architecture School and I also work at an office (also in architecture). Last week I ordered the Dell 7530 with a Xeon processor, the P3200 GPU, 32gb of Ram and 1tb of M.2 SSD Storage. The screen is a 15” 4k. All in all it does cost $2600 but as much as an Apple fan that I am am there is no denying that this laptop is pretty damn good for the buck,
You can go for MSI GE75 Raider-023 : Specifications: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080 8G GDDR6 RAM : 32 GB Display: 1920x1080 pixels More details here Also check out this post - what hardware are needed in a laptop for architecture work - architecture laptop
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
egxjhnv
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Boxx laptops.
You can go for MSI GE75 Raider-023 : Specifications: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080 8G GDDR6 RAM : 32 GB Display: 1920x1080 pixels More details here Also check out this post - what hardware are needed in a laptop for architecture work - architecture laptop
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
eguq2xo
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Apple MacBook Pro never failed me. I completed all my design assignments and modeling over a 4 year architecture and then masters degree
You can go for MSI GE75 Raider-023 : Specifications: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080 8G GDDR6 RAM : 32 GB Display: 1920x1080 pixels More details here Also check out this post - what hardware are needed in a laptop for architecture work - architecture laptop
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
eguq2xo
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Apple MacBook Pro never failed me. I completed all my design assignments and modeling over a 4 year architecture and then masters degree
I'm a MacBook Pro kind of guy (if price isn't a thing for you, get top of the line specs, lots of storage you'll be Boot Camping and depend on a eGPU). But I really like the Huawei MateBook X Pro and the ASUS ZenBook, maybe even look at the Razer Blade. Mind you, I did pick a lot of laptops that also have quite the aesthetics as well, I'm not a fan of those ugly bulky gaming machines out there.
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
ehamx8g
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Going to save you some trouble. Invest in a Gaming Laptop, as they're branded. A lot of 3d programs perform better with a dedicated and reputable GPU. Stay away from any Microsoft surface pros, or wannabe tablets.
Currently I’m enrolled in my 4th year at Architecture School and I also work at an office (also in architecture). Last week I ordered the Dell 7530 with a Xeon processor, the P3200 GPU, 32gb of Ram and 1tb of M.2 SSD Storage. The screen is a 15” 4k. All in all it does cost $2600 but as much as an Apple fan that I am am there is no denying that this laptop is pretty damn good for the buck,
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
ehamx8g
egxjhnv
1,551,150,674
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Going to save you some trouble. Invest in a Gaming Laptop, as they're branded. A lot of 3d programs perform better with a dedicated and reputable GPU. Stay away from any Microsoft surface pros, or wannabe tablets.
Boxx laptops.
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ash3ro
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
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Boobs
Going to save you some trouble. Invest in a Gaming Laptop, as they're branded. A lot of 3d programs perform better with a dedicated and reputable GPU. Stay away from any Microsoft surface pros, or wannabe tablets.
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
ehamx8g
eguq2xo
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Going to save you some trouble. Invest in a Gaming Laptop, as they're branded. A lot of 3d programs perform better with a dedicated and reputable GPU. Stay away from any Microsoft surface pros, or wannabe tablets.
Apple MacBook Pro never failed me. I completed all my design assignments and modeling over a 4 year architecture and then masters degree
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ash3ro
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
eguq2xo
egv87gv
1,550,632,944
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Apple MacBook Pro never failed me. I completed all my design assignments and modeling over a 4 year architecture and then masters degree
Currently I’m enrolled in my 4th year at Architecture School and I also work at an office (also in architecture). Last week I ordered the Dell 7530 with a Xeon processor, the P3200 GPU, 32gb of Ram and 1tb of M.2 SSD Storage. The screen is a 15” 4k. All in all it does cost $2600 but as much as an Apple fan that I am am there is no denying that this laptop is pretty damn good for the buck,
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
eguq2xo
egxjhnv
1,550,632,944
1,550,721,858
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Apple MacBook Pro never failed me. I completed all my design assignments and modeling over a 4 year architecture and then masters degree
Boxx laptops.
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[Ask] Best laptop for architecture I will be going to university this year to study interior architecture. I was wondering which laptop/2in1 laptop would be the best for me to get? I'm guessing interior architecture and normal architecture would use the same software etc, so I was just wondering which would be for the best for me to purchase? (Price does not matter).
eguq2xo
ehadhzq
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Apple MacBook Pro never failed me. I completed all my design assignments and modeling over a 4 year architecture and then masters degree
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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1. By this time I was so sick of Architecture School that I set myself office standards, be there at 8-9am, leave for dinner around 5-6pm. And prioritize properly. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the studio projects, at least in my school, is say designing a large mixed use project with a specific housing program, a kindergarden and a swimming hall or whatever, a task that would employ 4-6 architects fulltime for 2 years to do. So you HAVE to find those "points of interest" that communicate your project to sensors, because you CANNOT do it all. The trap here is that "there is always more you can do" so students end up sitting 24/7 doing extra work that at best adds linear value to the project, or at worst wastes your life away. 2. BIM software is mandatory, you don't have to design in it, but knowing your way around it and the interface is valuable. I've also found that a lot of software knowledge is a shoe-in, in a lot of offices. In my experience you tend to specialize, you're either the tech architect, the model builder, the vizualiser, the standards guy, or whatever. do with that snippet as you wish. 3. Not US, can't answer. I used my network to get an internship 4. Learned a lot on the job, earned a good wage, felt like i provided value by applying my tech skills in the office. Got a foot inside the door, and got employed right out of school at the same office. Would recommend for anyone. 5. Not relevant for me, non US. 6. non US.
Im a second year architect student, first it does take up all of your free time, i usually spend about 50-70 hours a week between class and working in the architecture studio. I haven't found any internships yet, but all architecture students starting out log their hours through NCARB.org. The job market is really good but the last time it was this good was in 2007 and in 2008 when the economy tanked so did positions for architects.
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
dx7vbci
dx8enqn
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1. Yes and no. You definitely make sacrifices. But the demand on your time is primarily due to your own inability to manage time well - i.e. say I'm going to work 8 hours today and then actually do it. Many younger undergrads struggle with this but it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) stay that way. 2. Don't worry about the workplace for the time being. The way architectures school tracks you into the workplace is not like in other disciplines - if you come in with this mentality you will struggle for no reason. Part of this is because you may discover you don't like architecture as much as you like say, landscape design or construction management. Be conscious of this during school. Your interest may not be in architecture after you graduate. Being more *focused on what you like to do and what you are good at* is much more important. Also, professional architecture skills are largely acquired outside of and after school actually in the workplace. Again don't focus on the workplace side of it until you have a sense of what that workplace will be. 3. If you aren't a total fuck-around, are disciplined, self-organized, self-motivated, and bother to learn revit it is very very not hard. 4. You learn the most from the menial work tbh because that is the "real" stuff that architecture school cannot possibly teach you. Door schedules, setting up a drawing sheet, etc. If that was part of school, it would take 15 years and no one woud ever finish. 5. No personal experience finishing hours. 6. Very very very good. For now. Good luck in your studies and hope to see you around the sub lots and lots!
1. By this time I was so sick of Architecture School that I set myself office standards, be there at 8-9am, leave for dinner around 5-6pm. And prioritize properly. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the studio projects, at least in my school, is say designing a large mixed use project with a specific housing program, a kindergarden and a swimming hall or whatever, a task that would employ 4-6 architects fulltime for 2 years to do. So you HAVE to find those "points of interest" that communicate your project to sensors, because you CANNOT do it all. The trap here is that "there is always more you can do" so students end up sitting 24/7 doing extra work that at best adds linear value to the project, or at worst wastes your life away. 2. BIM software is mandatory, you don't have to design in it, but knowing your way around it and the interface is valuable. I've also found that a lot of software knowledge is a shoe-in, in a lot of offices. In my experience you tend to specialize, you're either the tech architect, the model builder, the vizualiser, the standards guy, or whatever. do with that snippet as you wish. 3. Not US, can't answer. I used my network to get an internship 4. Learned a lot on the job, earned a good wage, felt like i provided value by applying my tech skills in the office. Got a foot inside the door, and got employed right out of school at the same office. Would recommend for anyone. 5. Not relevant for me, non US. 6. non US.
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
dx7ob9t
dx8ndf5
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Im a second year architect student, first it does take up all of your free time, i usually spend about 50-70 hours a week between class and working in the architecture studio. I haven't found any internships yet, but all architecture students starting out log their hours through NCARB.org. The job market is really good but the last time it was this good was in 2007 and in 2008 when the economy tanked so did positions for architects.
1. Sometimes, but this can be managed some if you’re well organized, confident in your decision making, and diligent to not wait until deadlines to get work done. Another important thing is that learning architecture is a lot like learning music or a sport. It takes a lot of practice to get really proficient in it. You can’t simply pick up a book or memorize lecture notes. You can explain to someone how to hit a baseball, but until they spend a few hours in a batting cage, they don't understand it. Additionally spending 100 hours in a batting cage will make you a better batter than if you only spend 50 hours. In professional practice, this calculus changes. There are fees budgeted. Those hours of practicing in school makes you more efficient when developing a design, drafting, or putting together a presentation. 2. Learn how to draw and think analytically about problems. Learn how buildings go together. Learn how to communicate solutions effectively - through visual, written, and verbal skills. Software will change during your career, and facility is necessary to gain entry to the field. However, you aren’t entering to be the draftsperson, BIM manager, or renderer your whole career... 3. Not sure what IPAL is. Getting work depends a lot on the job market where you are looking. 4. This varies a lot from firm to firm. I learned a lot in my first few years, and tasks were varied. Still, there are always menial tasks to be done. 5. I think it was called IDP when I did it. No problem getting the hours. When I noticed I wasn’t getting experience in certain categories, I brought it up to my employer who adjusted my tasks so I could get that those required hours. 6. From my perspective very good. The two career fairs I attend yearly both had a higher attendance of recruiters than any year before, and the schools anticipate more next year. The repercussions of the '08 recession are still being felt in the field: There were a lot of people who left to other careers because of a poor job market, and students were wary of entering into the field, so enrollments dipped. This means now that things have picked up significantly firms are finding it harder to staff projects. Its impossible to say what the economy will be like in 5 years time. Architecture can be strongly affected by the economic cycles. Good luck! One piece of advice - it would be worth your time job shadowing a local architect, or even getting a tour of various offices. Don't be shy about reaching out to them to see if you can do that. Ask lots of questions.
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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1. Sometimes, but this can be managed some if you’re well organized, confident in your decision making, and diligent to not wait until deadlines to get work done. Another important thing is that learning architecture is a lot like learning music or a sport. It takes a lot of practice to get really proficient in it. You can’t simply pick up a book or memorize lecture notes. You can explain to someone how to hit a baseball, but until they spend a few hours in a batting cage, they don't understand it. Additionally spending 100 hours in a batting cage will make you a better batter than if you only spend 50 hours. In professional practice, this calculus changes. There are fees budgeted. Those hours of practicing in school makes you more efficient when developing a design, drafting, or putting together a presentation. 2. Learn how to draw and think analytically about problems. Learn how buildings go together. Learn how to communicate solutions effectively - through visual, written, and verbal skills. Software will change during your career, and facility is necessary to gain entry to the field. However, you aren’t entering to be the draftsperson, BIM manager, or renderer your whole career... 3. Not sure what IPAL is. Getting work depends a lot on the job market where you are looking. 4. This varies a lot from firm to firm. I learned a lot in my first few years, and tasks were varied. Still, there are always menial tasks to be done. 5. I think it was called IDP when I did it. No problem getting the hours. When I noticed I wasn’t getting experience in certain categories, I brought it up to my employer who adjusted my tasks so I could get that those required hours. 6. From my perspective very good. The two career fairs I attend yearly both had a higher attendance of recruiters than any year before, and the schools anticipate more next year. The repercussions of the '08 recession are still being felt in the field: There were a lot of people who left to other careers because of a poor job market, and students were wary of entering into the field, so enrollments dipped. This means now that things have picked up significantly firms are finding it harder to staff projects. Its impossible to say what the economy will be like in 5 years time. Architecture can be strongly affected by the economic cycles. Good luck! One piece of advice - it would be worth your time job shadowing a local architect, or even getting a tour of various offices. Don't be shy about reaching out to them to see if you can do that. Ask lots of questions.
1. Yes and no. You definitely make sacrifices. But the demand on your time is primarily due to your own inability to manage time well - i.e. say I'm going to work 8 hours today and then actually do it. Many younger undergrads struggle with this but it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) stay that way. 2. Don't worry about the workplace for the time being. The way architectures school tracks you into the workplace is not like in other disciplines - if you come in with this mentality you will struggle for no reason. Part of this is because you may discover you don't like architecture as much as you like say, landscape design or construction management. Be conscious of this during school. Your interest may not be in architecture after you graduate. Being more *focused on what you like to do and what you are good at* is much more important. Also, professional architecture skills are largely acquired outside of and after school actually in the workplace. Again don't focus on the workplace side of it until you have a sense of what that workplace will be. 3. If you aren't a total fuck-around, are disciplined, self-organized, self-motivated, and bother to learn revit it is very very not hard. 4. You learn the most from the menial work tbh because that is the "real" stuff that architecture school cannot possibly teach you. Door schedules, setting up a drawing sheet, etc. If that was part of school, it would take 15 years and no one woud ever finish. 5. No personal experience finishing hours. 6. Very very very good. For now. Good luck in your studies and hope to see you around the sub lots and lots!
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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Im a second year architect student, first it does take up all of your free time, i usually spend about 50-70 hours a week between class and working in the architecture studio. I haven't found any internships yet, but all architecture students starting out log their hours through NCARB.org. The job market is really good but the last time it was this good was in 2007 and in 2008 when the economy tanked so did positions for architects.
Hi, I graduated with B.Arch 3 years ago and have been employed since. Located in San Diego. 1. The last few years can be tough, it all depends on how well you and your school have prepared you. For me after the first half of fourth year I was done with the whole all-nighter culture. Fifth year I had none, sure the occasional night here and there of only 3-4 hours of sleep. Even those were rare. Again I reiterate that it depends on how competent you are with your software/hardware and knowing your own design process and personality. 2. Preparing for the workplace is always a contentious topic. I don't think you should be reading building codes, and zoning ordinances. Instead have an understanding of the why behind these codes. What you should be doing is being attentive to all of the parts of a building and how each affect and influence one another. 3. I had no issues finding an internship. I worked full-time for 4 summers between school semesters. I would recommend doing this, at least one summer internship preferably 2 at different offices, to get an idea of how different people do things. 3.5. I did not participate in the IPAL program I actually don't think anyone in it has graduated yet, since it is so new. I don't know much about it, but my school (Woodbury) is one of the few that are participating in it. 4. I only think I was an intern for one summer, but all the other summers I was contributing significantly to all the projects I was on. Some of which I was the only person working directly with the architect to put the drawings together. I have seen the other side of it though, the office where I currently work does not give interns significant workloads, they run errands, make models, like you said menial tasks at time where they aren't learning much. 5. No issue with the hours, I have worked at small offices were I am basically project manager for projects so I work on all the parts. 6. I think it's pretty good right now, all of my classmates have found jobs. Let me know if you have any other specific questions, would be glad to help.
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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1) You get what you put into it. 2) Time Mangement and how to teach yourself things. 3) See 1 and 2. I have not heard results from the Integrated path stuff yet, my alma mater is participating and I think its a bad idea. 4) Its work, you learn a lot more doing it than in school. 5) No. 6) In the midwest US region I'd say its ok for entry level, but its much better if you've got experience. You shouldn't have too much trouble though.
Hi, I graduated with B.Arch 3 years ago and have been employed since. Located in San Diego. 1. The last few years can be tough, it all depends on how well you and your school have prepared you. For me after the first half of fourth year I was done with the whole all-nighter culture. Fifth year I had none, sure the occasional night here and there of only 3-4 hours of sleep. Even those were rare. Again I reiterate that it depends on how competent you are with your software/hardware and knowing your own design process and personality. 2. Preparing for the workplace is always a contentious topic. I don't think you should be reading building codes, and zoning ordinances. Instead have an understanding of the why behind these codes. What you should be doing is being attentive to all of the parts of a building and how each affect and influence one another. 3. I had no issues finding an internship. I worked full-time for 4 summers between school semesters. I would recommend doing this, at least one summer internship preferably 2 at different offices, to get an idea of how different people do things. 3.5. I did not participate in the IPAL program I actually don't think anyone in it has graduated yet, since it is so new. I don't know much about it, but my school (Woodbury) is one of the few that are participating in it. 4. I only think I was an intern for one summer, but all the other summers I was contributing significantly to all the projects I was on. Some of which I was the only person working directly with the architect to put the drawings together. I have seen the other side of it though, the office where I currently work does not give interns significant workloads, they run errands, make models, like you said menial tasks at time where they aren't learning much. 5. No issue with the hours, I have worked at small offices were I am basically project manager for projects so I work on all the parts. 6. I think it's pretty good right now, all of my classmates have found jobs. Let me know if you have any other specific questions, would be glad to help.
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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1. Yes and no. You definitely make sacrifices. But the demand on your time is primarily due to your own inability to manage time well - i.e. say I'm going to work 8 hours today and then actually do it. Many younger undergrads struggle with this but it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) stay that way. 2. Don't worry about the workplace for the time being. The way architectures school tracks you into the workplace is not like in other disciplines - if you come in with this mentality you will struggle for no reason. Part of this is because you may discover you don't like architecture as much as you like say, landscape design or construction management. Be conscious of this during school. Your interest may not be in architecture after you graduate. Being more *focused on what you like to do and what you are good at* is much more important. Also, professional architecture skills are largely acquired outside of and after school actually in the workplace. Again don't focus on the workplace side of it until you have a sense of what that workplace will be. 3. If you aren't a total fuck-around, are disciplined, self-organized, self-motivated, and bother to learn revit it is very very not hard. 4. You learn the most from the menial work tbh because that is the "real" stuff that architecture school cannot possibly teach you. Door schedules, setting up a drawing sheet, etc. If that was part of school, it would take 15 years and no one woud ever finish. 5. No personal experience finishing hours. 6. Very very very good. For now. Good luck in your studies and hope to see you around the sub lots and lots!
Hi, I graduated with B.Arch 3 years ago and have been employed since. Located in San Diego. 1. The last few years can be tough, it all depends on how well you and your school have prepared you. For me after the first half of fourth year I was done with the whole all-nighter culture. Fifth year I had none, sure the occasional night here and there of only 3-4 hours of sleep. Even those were rare. Again I reiterate that it depends on how competent you are with your software/hardware and knowing your own design process and personality. 2. Preparing for the workplace is always a contentious topic. I don't think you should be reading building codes, and zoning ordinances. Instead have an understanding of the why behind these codes. What you should be doing is being attentive to all of the parts of a building and how each affect and influence one another. 3. I had no issues finding an internship. I worked full-time for 4 summers between school semesters. I would recommend doing this, at least one summer internship preferably 2 at different offices, to get an idea of how different people do things. 3.5. I did not participate in the IPAL program I actually don't think anyone in it has graduated yet, since it is so new. I don't know much about it, but my school (Woodbury) is one of the few that are participating in it. 4. I only think I was an intern for one summer, but all the other summers I was contributing significantly to all the projects I was on. Some of which I was the only person working directly with the architect to put the drawings together. I have seen the other side of it though, the office where I currently work does not give interns significant workloads, they run errands, make models, like you said menial tasks at time where they aren't learning much. 5. No issue with the hours, I have worked at small offices were I am basically project manager for projects so I work on all the parts. 6. I think it's pretty good right now, all of my classmates have found jobs. Let me know if you have any other specific questions, would be glad to help.
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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1) You get what you put into it. 2) Time Mangement and how to teach yourself things. 3) See 1 and 2. I have not heard results from the Integrated path stuff yet, my alma mater is participating and I think its a bad idea. 4) Its work, you learn a lot more doing it than in school. 5) No. 6) In the midwest US region I'd say its ok for entry level, but its much better if you've got experience. You shouldn't have too much trouble though.
1. Yes and no. You definitely make sacrifices. But the demand on your time is primarily due to your own inability to manage time well - i.e. say I'm going to work 8 hours today and then actually do it. Many younger undergrads struggle with this but it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) stay that way. 2. Don't worry about the workplace for the time being. The way architectures school tracks you into the workplace is not like in other disciplines - if you come in with this mentality you will struggle for no reason. Part of this is because you may discover you don't like architecture as much as you like say, landscape design or construction management. Be conscious of this during school. Your interest may not be in architecture after you graduate. Being more *focused on what you like to do and what you are good at* is much more important. Also, professional architecture skills are largely acquired outside of and after school actually in the workplace. Again don't focus on the workplace side of it until you have a sense of what that workplace will be. 3. If you aren't a total fuck-around, are disciplined, self-organized, self-motivated, and bother to learn revit it is very very not hard. 4. You learn the most from the menial work tbh because that is the "real" stuff that architecture school cannot possibly teach you. Door schedules, setting up a drawing sheet, etc. If that was part of school, it would take 15 years and no one woud ever finish. 5. No personal experience finishing hours. 6. Very very very good. For now. Good luck in your studies and hope to see you around the sub lots and lots!
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Looking for someone in architecture school or a professional to answer a few questions for someone just starting school. [ask] I've just started my collage education and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from either someone who is a bit further along than I am, or a professional. I just have a few questions and I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer them for me. 1. I've heard that the last couple of years in school are really hard. Does it really take ALL of your time? 2. Are there any particular skills or knowledge that I should focus on in school to prepare for the workplace? 3. How difficult is it to find an internship? Did anyone have the opportunity to participate in an IPAL program? (I'm asking because this is the direction I'm leaning if I can get in.) 4. What is it like being an Arch Intern? Do you actually learn a lot on the job, or is it a lot of menial tasks? 5. Did you have any difficulty accruing the required 3740 AXP Experience hours in the required fields? 6. How is the job market right now for entry level architects? Thank you all for your time, and I really appreciate any thoughts or feedback you have for me.
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1. Yes and no. You definitely make sacrifices. But the demand on your time is primarily due to your own inability to manage time well - i.e. say I'm going to work 8 hours today and then actually do it. Many younger undergrads struggle with this but it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) stay that way. 2. Don't worry about the workplace for the time being. The way architectures school tracks you into the workplace is not like in other disciplines - if you come in with this mentality you will struggle for no reason. Part of this is because you may discover you don't like architecture as much as you like say, landscape design or construction management. Be conscious of this during school. Your interest may not be in architecture after you graduate. Being more *focused on what you like to do and what you are good at* is much more important. Also, professional architecture skills are largely acquired outside of and after school actually in the workplace. Again don't focus on the workplace side of it until you have a sense of what that workplace will be. 3. If you aren't a total fuck-around, are disciplined, self-organized, self-motivated, and bother to learn revit it is very very not hard. 4. You learn the most from the menial work tbh because that is the "real" stuff that architecture school cannot possibly teach you. Door schedules, setting up a drawing sheet, etc. If that was part of school, it would take 15 years and no one woud ever finish. 5. No personal experience finishing hours. 6. Very very very good. For now. Good luck in your studies and hope to see you around the sub lots and lots!
1. Yes 2. Software skills as an entry level, but don’t worry too much about that at school. You are there to learn how to design, and they are just tools. 3. Internship is not hard, but getting a good one takes efforts. One that is paid somewhat fairly and teaches you. 4. You learn a lot, but also do a lot of menial tasks such as taking measurements of an existing building. Basically anything that doesn’t require too much experience. 5. hours at your corresponding level are easy to fill. For example, it’s easy to get a ton of drafting experience but not as much construction at first, and even less on management. 6. Job market feels optimistic for me on the west coast.
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[Ask] What are the 5 Worst Revit bad habits? What are the worst modelling bad habits you’ve come across in Revit models? Here’s my top 5: 5. Duplicating family types and not renaming them to anything sensible - internal wall type, internal wall type 2, internal wall type 2 2, internal wall type 2 2 2, etc 🙄 4. Hide in view - why not control with a filter or a visibility setting within a view template? This would save so much time rather than unhide any elements in every view within a drawing series. So confusing for someone jumping in and out of projects to understand why elements aren’t showing. This causes such headaches in large practices where staff are shuffled around on projects a lot. 😤 3. Model in Place instead of a traditional loadable Revit family - These have their place I know. But still... not to be used for modelling whole building elements. The worst I’ve ever seen is a window modelled with and opening cut in the wall and an in-place model created to form what looked like a window. Just use a family please. 🙏🏻 2. Inserting dwg files - if you want some CAD files in your model then why not just link them? It’s similar to x-reference in CAD and means that when the CAD file is updated so does the link once reloaded. It also means that the CAD file is easily removed from the manage tab. This is certainly easier than playing Where’s Waldo with an inserted cad file to try and delete it. 🧐 1. Tagging with text boxes. - Revit is a highly intelligent programme. It’s data rich and schedules almost everything. So why do people still insist on writing the data manually? Why tag things with a text note when you can use a tag? These are tied to the data of the element so that when you change anything in the element the tag would automatically read the data. After all Revit stands for Revise - Edit. 🤓 This is for many reasons is my pet peeve of Revit mistakes made countless times. Please share your own and help others from falling into these traps.
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When model elements are not associated to the proper level. When walls are slightly off axis and when supposedly two parallel elements are not actually aligned.
The lack of understanding between model lines and detail lines and the resulting misuse of the two.
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[Ask] What are the 5 Worst Revit bad habits? What are the worst modelling bad habits you’ve come across in Revit models? Here’s my top 5: 5. Duplicating family types and not renaming them to anything sensible - internal wall type, internal wall type 2, internal wall type 2 2, internal wall type 2 2 2, etc 🙄 4. Hide in view - why not control with a filter or a visibility setting within a view template? This would save so much time rather than unhide any elements in every view within a drawing series. So confusing for someone jumping in and out of projects to understand why elements aren’t showing. This causes such headaches in large practices where staff are shuffled around on projects a lot. 😤 3. Model in Place instead of a traditional loadable Revit family - These have their place I know. But still... not to be used for modelling whole building elements. The worst I’ve ever seen is a window modelled with and opening cut in the wall and an in-place model created to form what looked like a window. Just use a family please. 🙏🏻 2. Inserting dwg files - if you want some CAD files in your model then why not just link them? It’s similar to x-reference in CAD and means that when the CAD file is updated so does the link once reloaded. It also means that the CAD file is easily removed from the manage tab. This is certainly easier than playing Where’s Waldo with an inserted cad file to try and delete it. 🧐 1. Tagging with text boxes. - Revit is a highly intelligent programme. It’s data rich and schedules almost everything. So why do people still insist on writing the data manually? Why tag things with a text note when you can use a tag? These are tied to the data of the element so that when you change anything in the element the tag would automatically read the data. After all Revit stands for Revise - Edit. 🤓 This is for many reasons is my pet peeve of Revit mistakes made countless times. Please share your own and help others from falling into these traps.
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1. Asking me how to fix something before even remotely looking into. (“What have you tried?” Them: “Nothing.” “Did you google it?” Them: “No” “Okay well I’ll come back once you’ve tried to fix it yourself.”) 2. Total disregard for model organization - everything on one workset, no view templates, views not named or sorted, a thousand unused “working” sections, no one has any idea what should or shouldn’t be in the model. I don’t think I should have to remind people to purge hospital families out of their retail project (We’re a big firm with one template).
When model elements are not associated to the proper level. When walls are slightly off axis and when supposedly two parallel elements are not actually aligned.
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[ask] Is this architect I'm working with commit a fraud? Signed a contract with a licensed architect in bay area for house add-on. She told us before the contract that our design requirement may be against city code so that we couldn't make the add-on full size. We asked her to add much as possible after checking the code. Since she seemed really nice, we signed the contract with deposit(almost half of total fee). One week later she sent us first schematic draft, didn't address the add-on at all, but changed all existing layout. We told her the reason we hired her is to add the add-on, and help design the extra space, not existing permitted space. She insisted we are against city code because of 2 car garage we have. We believed her, and asked her if we can convert 2 car garage into 1 since all we want is the full-size add on. She told us we cannot because the garage already exists(we found she was wrong on this one too later). So I went to city by myself to check with technician. Technician said our original plan is 100% ok(full-size add-on). We told the same thing to our architect, she replied "City planning person doesn't know what they are talking about." and required written approval from city. Of course technician won't give such things. So I asked her to come to city next day to make things clear. Finally she was acknowledged we were in accordance with code. She sent us a second draft on that day, which was still far from our expectation, like one has go through laundry to go to half-bathroom and there is a door in half-bathroom to go to backyard. So next day when we had a chat about this, she blamed everything to us that we didn't tell her we want full-size add on at beginning, we asked her why you didn't check the code, she replied "It's impossible to check all the code, otherwise I cannot start to work". We are very pissed off and sent her an email summarizing the conversations between us and told her to reply if there is any word didn't meet the fact. 1 day later, I found myself blocked by her in message apps. Called/messaged/emailed her, and she didn't respond. 3 days later, she replied in email she was working on my project and checking the code(sarcasm as I reckon). And on the night of our two weeks deadline(not included in contract, verbally agreed) sent us rudimentary schematic design(which was not finalized with us, and basically the draft we provided to her), an elevation drawing and called termination on contract because she thinks it's inappropriate to continue the project. (no specific reasons claimed) We sent the email back that requiring full-amount refund as the drawing she sent us renders no use at all to us, but she never replied back yet. It's already been several days. After all her unprofessional behaviors, we checked the contract and realized it violates the law https://www.cab.ca.gov/licensees/written_contract_requirement.shtml, that she didn't have license number on the contract, and no "A description of the procedure to be used by either party to terminate the contract" (there is description on client ceasing project, but not architect). She never replied our calls/emails. I wonder how can I get my refund back. Does this count as Fraud crime? Would filing a complaint to CAB(California Architect Board) help?
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Contact the local American Institute of Architects for a mediator recommendation- as that’s typically the initial course in a standard AIA agreement. This is a show of good faith and seeking an emotionless resolution. If mediation is rejected, you’ll make a better case of trying to resolve this before the next level of legal action. I’d recommend appropriate representation at that point. Good luck with the process.
Work it out or no one wins, is the best way forward. Even taking this to legal recourse gets you little except your down payment returned. If that’s what you want, say that and settle for what you can negotiate. Architects can file liens on property until fully paid.
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[ask] Is this architect I'm working with commit a fraud? Signed a contract with a licensed architect in bay area for house add-on. She told us before the contract that our design requirement may be against city code so that we couldn't make the add-on full size. We asked her to add much as possible after checking the code. Since she seemed really nice, we signed the contract with deposit(almost half of total fee). One week later she sent us first schematic draft, didn't address the add-on at all, but changed all existing layout. We told her the reason we hired her is to add the add-on, and help design the extra space, not existing permitted space. She insisted we are against city code because of 2 car garage we have. We believed her, and asked her if we can convert 2 car garage into 1 since all we want is the full-size add on. She told us we cannot because the garage already exists(we found she was wrong on this one too later). So I went to city by myself to check with technician. Technician said our original plan is 100% ok(full-size add-on). We told the same thing to our architect, she replied "City planning person doesn't know what they are talking about." and required written approval from city. Of course technician won't give such things. So I asked her to come to city next day to make things clear. Finally she was acknowledged we were in accordance with code. She sent us a second draft on that day, which was still far from our expectation, like one has go through laundry to go to half-bathroom and there is a door in half-bathroom to go to backyard. So next day when we had a chat about this, she blamed everything to us that we didn't tell her we want full-size add on at beginning, we asked her why you didn't check the code, she replied "It's impossible to check all the code, otherwise I cannot start to work". We are very pissed off and sent her an email summarizing the conversations between us and told her to reply if there is any word didn't meet the fact. 1 day later, I found myself blocked by her in message apps. Called/messaged/emailed her, and she didn't respond. 3 days later, she replied in email she was working on my project and checking the code(sarcasm as I reckon). And on the night of our two weeks deadline(not included in contract, verbally agreed) sent us rudimentary schematic design(which was not finalized with us, and basically the draft we provided to her), an elevation drawing and called termination on contract because she thinks it's inappropriate to continue the project. (no specific reasons claimed) We sent the email back that requiring full-amount refund as the drawing she sent us renders no use at all to us, but she never replied back yet. It's already been several days. After all her unprofessional behaviors, we checked the contract and realized it violates the law https://www.cab.ca.gov/licensees/written_contract_requirement.shtml, that she didn't have license number on the contract, and no "A description of the procedure to be used by either party to terminate the contract" (there is description on client ceasing project, but not architect). She never replied our calls/emails. I wonder how can I get my refund back. Does this count as Fraud crime? Would filing a complaint to CAB(California Architect Board) help?
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Work it out or no one wins, is the best way forward. Even taking this to legal recourse gets you little except your down payment returned. If that’s what you want, say that and settle for what you can negotiate. Architects can file liens on property until fully paid.
> "It's impossible to check all the code, otherwise I cannot start to work" lol, looks like you found the worst architect in your area
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Hey, fellow architecture enthusiasts. I'm looking for the first times glass was used in architecture I love the glass in architecture and wanna know more about the first steps of glass in architecture. I wanna know who had this idea first, which people had the idea if not one person. I wanted to ask if someone could tell me or point me to sites that could help me find about it. Thank you so much for your help.
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Hello, on your question: how came up with the idea? We don't know. But we do know the Roman's where probably the first ones to use glass in buildings (not to look through because it probably wasn't good enough for that). But to let light in. They used it in bathhouses and Roman basilicas. Hope this answers your question. Sorry about my English I'm not a native speaker.
With out sounding like an ass you should google it “first use of glass in architecture” or somthing
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Hey, fellow architecture enthusiasts. I'm looking for the first times glass was used in architecture I love the glass in architecture and wanna know more about the first steps of glass in architecture. I wanna know who had this idea first, which people had the idea if not one person. I wanted to ask if someone could tell me or point me to sites that could help me find about it. Thank you so much for your help.
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What do you mean by glass? Like stained glass in a cathedral? Or a glass skyscraper?
Hello, on your question: how came up with the idea? We don't know. But we do know the Roman's where probably the first ones to use glass in buildings (not to look through because it probably wasn't good enough for that). But to let light in. They used it in bathhouses and Roman basilicas. Hope this answers your question. Sorry about my English I'm not a native speaker.
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Has anyone else had issues with boxes flipping in your brain? And, if so, is there a good solution to it? I've been doing the exercises together with my wife, and we're really enjoying them. We've now reached the rotated box exercise. I've done it ok. Not great lol. But ok. My wife has dyslexia. To the degree it has been diagnosed by a doctor, and she was given extra time in her exams as a result. She thinks her problem with the exercise is related to her dyslexia, but isn't sure. Anyway, the problem she has is that while she can draw boxes just fine, she's having real issues with her perception of so many boxes in one tiny space. It seems to be messing with her brain. You know that thing where you can look at a cube and see one face as the front, or flip it so the other face is actually in front? In this case it's like she loses control of that ability. She's done all the other exercises. It's just the rotated boxes one, where lots of lines exist and there is so much overlap. What is happening is that she draws the boxes along the horizontal. Then draws the vertical boxes. That goes fine. Then she starts putting in the diagonal ones. And her brain just can't see them any more. Every box appears to flip from front to back at random, so she sometimes sees one face as the front and then another, and can't make the entire shape out anymore. Shading between the boxes helps. But doesn't fix the problem. Once more boxes get added, the effect starts again. I think I have a solution, which is to use different colour fine liners - with really faint ones in the back and intense ones for the front face. And that appears to work. So I think we're going to do that. But, I'm just wondering. Has anyone else had this problem? And, if so, how do you get round it?
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Practice. Literal practice. If she can rotate one box, then she just needs to slow down. Focus on one box at a time. I would suggest getting a cube. A physical block. That way, when shes doing the exersice, an her brain starts to become fuzzy, she can look to the physical block and see how it's supposed to be. I think this will help build association. I also think this would be good for anyone doing this exersice. Turning an object in your mind is a skill, being able to draw that object rotating is another skill. Get physical block to help with association. Practice. Lots of it. Lol. Just my two cents. OH. Third cent. I'm a big fan of measuring. What I mean is, set a goal of 5 times for the exersice. Or 10. Or a good round number. So when you do the exersice say 10 times. You can go, I've done it 10 times. I've made this much progress with 10 times. Then you can do it another 10 times. An you can see your progress with a second set of 10. So do them in sets. This way it's not all about the 1 exersice you're doing that time. It's about doing a whole set. An you can see more clearly your progress this way because you're looking at progress over the course of 10 attempts. Rather than looking at one photo and trying to determine progress. Artists are perfectionists, or being an artists makes you aware of all your own flaws. This helps circumvent some of that early bird perfectionism while you practice. Best advice I've ever seen was an answer to a question. Story: Boy wants to be a tattoo artist. He goes and asks for an apprenticeship. Tattoo artist says, draw everyday all day for two years. Then come back. Boy draws everyday all day for two years. Comes back and becomes a tattoo artist. OH I have another. Drawing from memory and drawing something you're looking at are two different skills In my opinion. So. Practice both. I like to look at a picture, or object. An then I turn the picture over, or I hide the object. An then I draw it from memory. I do this over and over. Also. If you're superstitious I suggest sacrificing a pack of pencils in a tiny pencil bon fire. Maybe a pack of number #2's. Or you could go all inquisition and slowly collect the "bad" pencils that give you trouble. An when sacrificed to the valcano, you make the other drawing utensils watch. To each his own. Whatever helps 🤣🤣🤣 Sincerely~ A doodler.
Hope someone answers I have the same problem
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
Honestly art is one of those things where you kinda HAVE to fuck up to improve. Very few people are amazing artists right off the bat. Anxiety is part of the process, of course you will feel uncomfortable when you create something and it's criticized, especially if you tried something new. Remind yourself that people are criticizing your art, not you. You can always try again, and you now have more information you can utilize to improve. I also tend to redraw some art pieces I've made so I can see my progress side by side, and it reassures me that I am getting better. I have one that I revisit every few years, and I remember being sooo proud of the initial piece. But I end up making a better one every time. It's nice to see! That said, don't force yourself if you feel really bad. Sometimes if I'm feeling really low, my mood worsens because I can't draw anything I like and I spiral lol. Taking a break can be more beneficial than pressuring yourself to draw.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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Honestly art is one of those things where you kinda HAVE to fuck up to improve. Very few people are amazing artists right off the bat. Anxiety is part of the process, of course you will feel uncomfortable when you create something and it's criticized, especially if you tried something new. Remind yourself that people are criticizing your art, not you. You can always try again, and you now have more information you can utilize to improve. I also tend to redraw some art pieces I've made so I can see my progress side by side, and it reassures me that I am getting better. I have one that I revisit every few years, and I remember being sooo proud of the initial piece. But I end up making a better one every time. It's nice to see! That said, don't force yourself if you feel really bad. Sometimes if I'm feeling really low, my mood worsens because I can't draw anything I like and I spiral lol. Taking a break can be more beneficial than pressuring yourself to draw.
I repeat to myself out loud, “I don’t give a f*ck what people think”, as many times as I have to until it sinks in.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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Feedback is just advice and the fantastic thing about advice is you can choose not to take it. Whatever was useful, think about that, anything that isn’t - jettison.
Honestly art is one of those things where you kinda HAVE to fuck up to improve. Very few people are amazing artists right off the bat. Anxiety is part of the process, of course you will feel uncomfortable when you create something and it's criticized, especially if you tried something new. Remind yourself that people are criticizing your art, not you. You can always try again, and you now have more information you can utilize to improve. I also tend to redraw some art pieces I've made so I can see my progress side by side, and it reassures me that I am getting better. I have one that I revisit every few years, and I remember being sooo proud of the initial piece. But I end up making a better one every time. It's nice to see! That said, don't force yourself if you feel really bad. Sometimes if I'm feeling really low, my mood worsens because I can't draw anything I like and I spiral lol. Taking a break can be more beneficial than pressuring yourself to draw.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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Honestly art is one of those things where you kinda HAVE to fuck up to improve. Very few people are amazing artists right off the bat. Anxiety is part of the process, of course you will feel uncomfortable when you create something and it's criticized, especially if you tried something new. Remind yourself that people are criticizing your art, not you. You can always try again, and you now have more information you can utilize to improve. I also tend to redraw some art pieces I've made so I can see my progress side by side, and it reassures me that I am getting better. I have one that I revisit every few years, and I remember being sooo proud of the initial piece. But I end up making a better one every time. It's nice to see! That said, don't force yourself if you feel really bad. Sometimes if I'm feeling really low, my mood worsens because I can't draw anything I like and I spiral lol. Taking a break can be more beneficial than pressuring yourself to draw.
Based on what you said, it sounds like the criticism was harsh but not unhelpful, which is good. I know when I was in college I did an art project that received some very valid and harsh criticism and it still makes me feel embarrassed thinking about it. The important thing to remember was that it was not malicious, and it came from a place of genuine helpfulness. It helped me learn and I'm glad for that. If it was *not* constructive though I think it's worth evaluating it yourself and only accepting the criticism that is valid.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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So I don’t have any mental health issues, but felt discouraged at times. I completed drawabox late last year. https://drawabox.com/community/sketchbook/larsBarnabee Possibly reading through my past critiques could help you as you go. Also is your critique feedback official critique? Please remember that the critiques are to help you with drawabox lessons not to harm you.
Honestly art is one of those things where you kinda HAVE to fuck up to improve. Very few people are amazing artists right off the bat. Anxiety is part of the process, of course you will feel uncomfortable when you create something and it's criticized, especially if you tried something new. Remind yourself that people are criticizing your art, not you. You can always try again, and you now have more information you can utilize to improve. I also tend to redraw some art pieces I've made so I can see my progress side by side, and it reassures me that I am getting better. I have one that I revisit every few years, and I remember being sooo proud of the initial piece. But I end up making a better one every time. It's nice to see! That said, don't force yourself if you feel really bad. Sometimes if I'm feeling really low, my mood worsens because I can't draw anything I like and I spiral lol. Taking a break can be more beneficial than pressuring yourself to draw.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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Honestly art is one of those things where you kinda HAVE to fuck up to improve. Very few people are amazing artists right off the bat. Anxiety is part of the process, of course you will feel uncomfortable when you create something and it's criticized, especially if you tried something new. Remind yourself that people are criticizing your art, not you. You can always try again, and you now have more information you can utilize to improve. I also tend to redraw some art pieces I've made so I can see my progress side by side, and it reassures me that I am getting better. I have one that I revisit every few years, and I remember being sooo proud of the initial piece. But I end up making a better one every time. It's nice to see! That said, don't force yourself if you feel really bad. Sometimes if I'm feeling really low, my mood worsens because I can't draw anything I like and I spiral lol. Taking a break can be more beneficial than pressuring yourself to draw.
Yeah. It happens all the time. You eventually get used to it and learn to look past through harsh words and focus on the actual criticism. I find that uploading takes from a different account than my main to make the process easier.
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I repeat to myself out loud, “I don’t give a f*ck what people think”, as many times as I have to until it sinks in.
It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
Feedback is just advice and the fantastic thing about advice is you can choose not to take it. Whatever was useful, think about that, anything that isn’t - jettison.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
Based on what you said, it sounds like the criticism was harsh but not unhelpful, which is good. I know when I was in college I did an art project that received some very valid and harsh criticism and it still makes me feel embarrassed thinking about it. The important thing to remember was that it was not malicious, and it came from a place of genuine helpfulness. It helped me learn and I'm glad for that. If it was *not* constructive though I think it's worth evaluating it yourself and only accepting the criticism that is valid.
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
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It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
Depression, Anxiety, Executive Dysfunction, ADHD/Autism on my part... You're not alone OP, I promise!!
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib403fm
ib1x5go
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It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
So I don’t have any mental health issues, but felt discouraged at times. I completed drawabox late last year. https://drawabox.com/community/sketchbook/larsBarnabee Possibly reading through my past critiques could help you as you go. Also is your critique feedback official critique? Please remember that the critiques are to help you with drawabox lessons not to harm you.
1
38,729
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib2irh9
ib403fm
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Yeah. It happens all the time. You eventually get used to it and learn to look past through harsh words and focus on the actual criticism. I find that uploading takes from a different account than my main to make the process easier.
It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
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29,040
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib3d5kf
ib403fm
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Mentally ill. Not sure what DAB is, today was shit, i’ll try again tomorrow.
It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
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13,510
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib403fm
ib3zs7h
1,654,312,273
1,654,312,070
15
3
It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
CPTSD here, you definitely aren’t alone!
1
203
5
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib3ol8s
ib403fm
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3d art \*is\* my self perscribed mental health treatment, hehe.
It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib403fm
ib32alj
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It look me a long time to finally get the motivation to pursue art and it was very rough in the beginning, I came across this quote that always stuck with me and it might help you too. It's by Ira Glass. “Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. So if you're just starting out, keep in mind that you're going to suck. Even stuff you make that you REALLY like and you're REALLY proud of, there's a really good chance it sucks and you won't be able to explain why until a few years later when you've gotten much better. But that's the process, learn to love it and remind yourself of that when it gets hard.
Waddup, once uppon a time I did and improved a lot till I quit
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib2e0ue
ib2elw1
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Based on what you said, it sounds like the criticism was harsh but not unhelpful, which is good. I know when I was in college I did an art project that received some very valid and harsh criticism and it still makes me feel embarrassed thinking about it. The important thing to remember was that it was not malicious, and it came from a place of genuine helpfulness. It helped me learn and I'm glad for that. If it was *not* constructive though I think it's worth evaluating it yourself and only accepting the criticism that is valid.
Feedback is just advice and the fantastic thing about advice is you can choose not to take it. Whatever was useful, think about that, anything that isn’t - jettison.
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
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Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib1x5go
ib2elw1
1,654,273,544
1,654,281,278
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So I don’t have any mental health issues, but felt discouraged at times. I completed drawabox late last year. https://drawabox.com/community/sketchbook/larsBarnabee Possibly reading through my past critiques could help you as you go. Also is your critique feedback official critique? Please remember that the critiques are to help you with drawabox lessons not to harm you.
Feedback is just advice and the fantastic thing about advice is you can choose not to take it. Whatever was useful, think about that, anything that isn’t - jettison.
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7,734
1.4
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib1x5go
ib2e0ue
1,654,273,544
1,654,281,001
5
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So I don’t have any mental health issues, but felt discouraged at times. I completed drawabox late last year. https://drawabox.com/community/sketchbook/larsBarnabee Possibly reading through my past critiques could help you as you go. Also is your critique feedback official critique? Please remember that the critiques are to help you with drawabox lessons not to harm you.
Based on what you said, it sounds like the criticism was harsh but not unhelpful, which is good. I know when I was in college I did an art project that received some very valid and harsh criticism and it still makes me feel embarrassed thinking about it. The important thing to remember was that it was not malicious, and it came from a place of genuine helpfulness. It helped me learn and I'm glad for that. If it was *not* constructive though I think it's worth evaluating it yourself and only accepting the criticism that is valid.
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib2irh9
ib3p45s
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1,654,305,673
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5
Yeah. It happens all the time. You eventually get used to it and learn to look past through harsh words and focus on the actual criticism. I find that uploading takes from a different account than my main to make the process easier.
Depression, Anxiety, Executive Dysfunction, ADHD/Autism on my part... You're not alone OP, I promise!!
0
22,440
1.666667
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib3p45s
ib3d5kf
1,654,305,673
1,654,298,763
5
3
Depression, Anxiety, Executive Dysfunction, ADHD/Autism on my part... You're not alone OP, I promise!!
Mentally ill. Not sure what DAB is, today was shit, i’ll try again tomorrow.
1
6,910
1.666667
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib3p45s
ib3ol8s
1,654,305,673
1,654,305,370
5
2
Depression, Anxiety, Executive Dysfunction, ADHD/Autism on my part... You're not alone OP, I promise!!
3d art \*is\* my self perscribed mental health treatment, hehe.
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib32alj
ib3p45s
1,654,292,852
1,654,305,673
1
5
Waddup, once uppon a time I did and improved a lot till I quit
Depression, Anxiety, Executive Dysfunction, ADHD/Autism on my part... You're not alone OP, I promise!!
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12,821
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v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib4s2y8
ib2irh9
1,654,336,554
1,654,283,233
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i have depression, anxiety, ADHD, and OCD. So obviously i would get really anxious and stressed everytime i am completing a drawabox assignment. And because of my depression I am never satisfied with my work, i never feel like the assignments i did were good enough, everytime i would think everything that i draw looked like shit, so u are definitely not alone OP. I guess despite that i just kept pushing foward and continuing with drawabox because i really wanted to improve my artistic skills.
Yeah. It happens all the time. You eventually get used to it and learn to look past through harsh words and focus on the actual criticism. I find that uploading takes from a different account than my main to make the process easier.
1
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1.333333
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib4s2y8
ib3d5kf
1,654,336,554
1,654,298,763
4
3
i have depression, anxiety, ADHD, and OCD. So obviously i would get really anxious and stressed everytime i am completing a drawabox assignment. And because of my depression I am never satisfied with my work, i never feel like the assignments i did were good enough, everytime i would think everything that i draw looked like shit, so u are definitely not alone OP. I guess despite that i just kept pushing foward and continuing with drawabox because i really wanted to improve my artistic skills.
Mentally ill. Not sure what DAB is, today was shit, i’ll try again tomorrow.
1
37,791
1.333333
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib3zs7h
ib4s2y8
1,654,312,070
1,654,336,554
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CPTSD here, you definitely aren’t alone!
i have depression, anxiety, ADHD, and OCD. So obviously i would get really anxious and stressed everytime i am completing a drawabox assignment. And because of my depression I am never satisfied with my work, i never feel like the assignments i did were good enough, everytime i would think everything that i draw looked like shit, so u are definitely not alone OP. I guess despite that i just kept pushing foward and continuing with drawabox because i really wanted to improve my artistic skills.
0
24,484
1.333333
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib4s2y8
ib3ol8s
1,654,336,554
1,654,305,370
4
2
i have depression, anxiety, ADHD, and OCD. So obviously i would get really anxious and stressed everytime i am completing a drawabox assignment. And because of my depression I am never satisfied with my work, i never feel like the assignments i did were good enough, everytime i would think everything that i draw looked like shit, so u are definitely not alone OP. I guess despite that i just kept pushing foward and continuing with drawabox because i really wanted to improve my artistic skills.
3d art \*is\* my self perscribed mental health treatment, hehe.
1
31,184
2
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib32alj
ib4s2y8
1,654,292,852
1,654,336,554
1
4
Waddup, once uppon a time I did and improved a lot till I quit
i have depression, anxiety, ADHD, and OCD. So obviously i would get really anxious and stressed everytime i am completing a drawabox assignment. And because of my depression I am never satisfied with my work, i never feel like the assignments i did were good enough, everytime i would think everything that i draw looked like shit, so u are definitely not alone OP. I guess despite that i just kept pushing foward and continuing with drawabox because i really wanted to improve my artistic skills.
0
43,702
4
v422yf
artfundamentals_train
0.9
Anyone else with mental health issues who is pursuing DAB/ learning art? Currently I'm struggling a lot with performance anxiety after receiving some (super helpful) but harsh feedback for my homework. Just wanted to ask whether there are some of you out there who can relate and maybe share what helped you get back on track/push through challenging periods while taking care of yourself. Good luck on your journey everyone!
ib32alj
ib3d5kf
1,654,292,852
1,654,298,763
1
3
Waddup, once uppon a time I did and improved a lot till I quit
Mentally ill. Not sure what DAB is, today was shit, i’ll try again tomorrow.
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5,911
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