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China harvesting organs from prisoners without consent.
CHINA BAD.
US offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.
Brilliant. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour."
] |
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So can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?
This is just The Purge with extra steps. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant."
] |
>
I'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers? | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps."
] |
>
If this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?"
] |
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Oh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated."
] |
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I have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional."
] |
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I did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap"
] |
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Finally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no."
] |
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If I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you."
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So this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus"
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This is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show."
] |
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Smh what will democrats come up with next. It's like they aren't even trying to hide how much they want to be like china | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show.",
">\n\nThis is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs."
] |
>
I know, right. Look at all the Chinese spies that visited the Democratic stronghold of Mar-a-Lago. Or, China awarding Democrat Ivanka Trump Chinese trademarks while she was "working" in the White House. Or, when Wisconsin Democrats gave Chinese Foxcon billions of dollars to not build a factory.
What are these Democrats going to do next? | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show.",
">\n\nThis is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs.",
">\n\nSmh what will democrats come up with next. It's like they aren't even trying to hide how much they want to be like china"
] |
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I dunno but the Republicans will probably have a son work for communist party controlled energy business, use chinese businesses for pump and dump schemes based on their policies, regularly employ Chinese spies as staffers, or just fuck Chinese spies in general and maybe let a balloon fly over all our missile sites.
Actually I think you and I have it backwards don't we? | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show.",
">\n\nThis is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs.",
">\n\nSmh what will democrats come up with next. It's like they aren't even trying to hide how much they want to be like china",
">\n\nI know, right. Look at all the Chinese spies that visited the Democratic stronghold of Mar-a-Lago. Or, China awarding Democrat Ivanka Trump Chinese trademarks while she was \"working\" in the White House. Or, when Wisconsin Democrats gave Chinese Foxcon billions of dollars to not build a factory.\nWhat are these Democrats going to do next?"
] |
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Well, Democrat Steve Bannon was arrested while staying on a Chinese billionaire's yacht. Or, when Democrat and LGBTQ supporter Donald Trump said of Xi "We love each other". | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show.",
">\n\nThis is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs.",
">\n\nSmh what will democrats come up with next. It's like they aren't even trying to hide how much they want to be like china",
">\n\nI know, right. Look at all the Chinese spies that visited the Democratic stronghold of Mar-a-Lago. Or, China awarding Democrat Ivanka Trump Chinese trademarks while she was \"working\" in the White House. Or, when Wisconsin Democrats gave Chinese Foxcon billions of dollars to not build a factory.\nWhat are these Democrats going to do next?",
">\n\nI dunno but the Republicans will probably have a son work for communist party controlled energy business, use chinese businesses for pump and dump schemes based on their policies, regularly employ Chinese spies as staffers, or just fuck Chinese spies in general and maybe let a balloon fly over all our missile sites. \nActually I think you and I have it backwards don't we?"
] |
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This is the start of one of those: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" cases. | [
"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show.",
">\n\nThis is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs.",
">\n\nSmh what will democrats come up with next. It's like they aren't even trying to hide how much they want to be like china",
">\n\nI know, right. Look at all the Chinese spies that visited the Democratic stronghold of Mar-a-Lago. Or, China awarding Democrat Ivanka Trump Chinese trademarks while she was \"working\" in the White House. Or, when Wisconsin Democrats gave Chinese Foxcon billions of dollars to not build a factory.\nWhat are these Democrats going to do next?",
">\n\nI dunno but the Republicans will probably have a son work for communist party controlled energy business, use chinese businesses for pump and dump schemes based on their policies, regularly employ Chinese spies as staffers, or just fuck Chinese spies in general and maybe let a balloon fly over all our missile sites. \nActually I think you and I have it backwards don't we?",
">\n\nWell, Democrat Steve Bannon was arrested while staying on a Chinese billionaire's yacht. Or, when Democrat and LGBTQ supporter Donald Trump said of Xi \"We love each other\"."
] |
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"Lawmakers propose imprisoning and harvesting the organs of citizens whose organs are compatible with wealthy friends and party donors.",
">\n\nDoes nobody remember that judge who got arrested because he intentionally sentenced children to a for-profit juvenile detention center because he got a kickback per kid?\nThis will make that look like amateur hour.",
">\n\nChina harvesting organs from prisoners without consent. \nCHINA BAD.\nUS offering reduced sentence in exchange for organ harvesting.\nBrilliant.",
">\n\nSo can we just preemptively donate organs then, too? How many get out of jail free cards is a kidney worth?\nThis is just The Purge with extra steps.",
">\n\nI'm going to hazard a guess that this was GOP lawmakers?",
">\n\nIf this passes, more poor people will be incarcerated.",
">\n\nOh, don’t worry! Your kidney is from a nice fellow that used to make masks out of the flesh of his victims. Perfectly heather and functional.",
">\n\nI have an enormous amount of gas right now. I just farted myself out of a nap",
">\n\nI did say healthy and functional. So, that’s a no.",
">\n\nFinally government smartens up. Behave or its off to the organ banks with you.",
">\n\nIf I'd fucked up, done something terrible, but could do something helpful to improve someone else's life to help repay my debt to society in the form of donating a kidney, I would do it without hesitation. If it happened to shorten my sentence that's a bonus",
">\n\nSo this would 100% result in prisons becoming organ farms. It would become a literal horror show.",
">\n\nThis is not even mentioning that this can lead to you being imprison for minor shit that would have been a fine and nothing more before. Because the farm needs more organs.",
">\n\nSmh what will democrats come up with next. It's like they aren't even trying to hide how much they want to be like china",
">\n\nI know, right. Look at all the Chinese spies that visited the Democratic stronghold of Mar-a-Lago. Or, China awarding Democrat Ivanka Trump Chinese trademarks while she was \"working\" in the White House. Or, when Wisconsin Democrats gave Chinese Foxcon billions of dollars to not build a factory.\nWhat are these Democrats going to do next?",
">\n\nI dunno but the Republicans will probably have a son work for communist party controlled energy business, use chinese businesses for pump and dump schemes based on their policies, regularly employ Chinese spies as staffers, or just fuck Chinese spies in general and maybe let a balloon fly over all our missile sites. \nActually I think you and I have it backwards don't we?",
">\n\nWell, Democrat Steve Bannon was arrested while staying on a Chinese billionaire's yacht. Or, when Democrat and LGBTQ supporter Donald Trump said of Xi \"We love each other\".",
">\n\nThis is the start of one of those: \"the road to hell is paved with good intentions\" cases."
] |
This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there! | [] |
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That sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now. | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!"
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When Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now."
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Can NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia? | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days"
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It's nothing ground breaking to be honest. "The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov." | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?"
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Minister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.”
“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday.
“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”
Slava Ukraini | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\""
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We need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do? | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini"
] |
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Considering that elections are rigged anyway, does the opinions of the old people really matter? Pensioners can't be the ones keeping the whole machinery going, right? | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini",
">\n\nWe need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do?"
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Half expected it to be that dude who sounds like Kermit that just regurgitates his own take on things and says it’s what Jung and Nietzsche thought. | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini",
">\n\nWe need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do?",
">\n\nConsidering that elections are rigged anyway, does the opinions of the old people really matter? Pensioners can't be the ones keeping the whole machinery going, right?"
] |
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They are ok now Elons Twittler is letting them thrive | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini",
">\n\nWe need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do?",
">\n\nConsidering that elections are rigged anyway, does the opinions of the old people really matter? Pensioners can't be the ones keeping the whole machinery going, right?",
">\n\nHalf expected it to be that dude who sounds like Kermit that just regurgitates his own take on things and says it’s what Jung and Nietzsche thought."
] |
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Just like the government she's a part of. | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini",
">\n\nWe need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do?",
">\n\nConsidering that elections are rigged anyway, does the opinions of the old people really matter? Pensioners can't be the ones keeping the whole machinery going, right?",
">\n\nHalf expected it to be that dude who sounds like Kermit that just regurgitates his own take on things and says it’s what Jung and Nietzsche thought.",
">\n\nThey are ok now Elons Twittler is letting them thrive"
] |
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Good thing you losers lost 3 times and counting | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini",
">\n\nWe need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do?",
">\n\nConsidering that elections are rigged anyway, does the opinions of the old people really matter? Pensioners can't be the ones keeping the whole machinery going, right?",
">\n\nHalf expected it to be that dude who sounds like Kermit that just regurgitates his own take on things and says it’s what Jung and Nietzsche thought.",
">\n\nThey are ok now Elons Twittler is letting them thrive",
">\n\nJust like the government she's a part of."
] |
> | [
"This is going to hurt r/Canada. They thrive on it there!",
">\n\nThat sub was taken over by extremism and paid messaging accounts a while back. It's generally a garbage dump there now.",
">\n\nWhen Russia invaded Ukraine, replies literally halved within the span of a few days",
">\n\nCan NATO countries go ahead and put ALL the sanctions on Russia?",
">\n\nIt's nothing ground breaking to be honest. \"The new sanctions target MIA Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned media company, United World International and Foundation for the Fight Against Repression and popular Russian singer and TV host, Nikolay Victorovich Baskov.\"",
">\n\n\nMinister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly said millions have suffered due to the proliferation of “Russian disinformation.” \n“In his search for false credibility to support his lies, President Putin has called on Russians with public platforms to promote disinformation and propaganda,” Joly said in the statement announcing the sanctions Friday. \n“President Putin is trying to manipulate public opinion. Canada will not allow the purveyors of disinformation and propaganda to act with impunity. Canada stands with Ukraine.”\n\nSlava Ukraini",
">\n\nWe need to do the same in Russia. The people in Russia should wake up. But the old people only watch TV. What can we do?",
">\n\nConsidering that elections are rigged anyway, does the opinions of the old people really matter? Pensioners can't be the ones keeping the whole machinery going, right?",
">\n\nHalf expected it to be that dude who sounds like Kermit that just regurgitates his own take on things and says it’s what Jung and Nietzsche thought.",
">\n\nThey are ok now Elons Twittler is letting them thrive",
">\n\nJust like the government she's a part of.",
">\n\nGood thing you losers lost 3 times and counting"
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Yes! That is so nice! Good work. Im in the process of building an DZ60v3. I can’t decide on the case though. | [] |
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Thank you! Yeah, cases seem pretty limited (especially in the U.K.) and I wanted something aluminium that would go with these keycaps. I was a bit 50/50 on the case as it's - quirky - but I think it works well. | [
"Yes! That is so nice! Good work. Im in the process of building an DZ60v3. I can’t decide on the case though."
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"Yes! That is so nice! Good work. Im in the process of building an DZ60v3. I can’t decide on the case though.",
">\n\nThank you! Yeah, cases seem pretty limited (especially in the U.K.) and I wanted something aluminium that would go with these keycaps. I was a bit 50/50 on the case as it's - quirky - but I think it works well."
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Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing | [] |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.
So couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross? | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing"
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Theres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.
Currently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.
Since the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.
So it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?"
] |
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Ah, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing.
It's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't."
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The US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity."
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The airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know"
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Plus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol."
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though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.
I remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else"
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When was that? | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark."
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Like the beginning of March in 2022. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?"
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Here's a quick warning. Ours work. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022."
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meanwhile French "warning shots" be like a nuclear missile | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work."
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They seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile"
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Some of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.
Just look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.
It's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.
This Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours."
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This is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding
"Oh, No reason."
Definitely no boning. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home."
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Great photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning."
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I don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic."
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Constantinopla Istanbul
You mean Byzantium? | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic."
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that is nobody's business but the Turks | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?"
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It’s just spoiling for a fight. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks"
] |
>
This is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.
Should be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year.
This is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.
This gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight."
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Aegis of the immortal | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on."
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USN is significantly more powerful than Roshan. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal"
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Their AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥 | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan."
] |
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You make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥"
] |
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It’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.
A result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible."
] |
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Don’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is."
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He's just Stalin for time. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad"
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i live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time."
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The US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up"
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Oh boy my old command | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you."
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Is there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command"
] |
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General strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.
If you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.
You might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.
Other poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range."
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If you happen to have a battleship floating around
What is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier."
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Hence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now."
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Destroyer, Destroy! | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles."
] |
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More likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!"
] |
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Let them, Turkey. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic."
] |
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Nice they need a couple of flat tops too | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic.",
">\n\nLet them, Turkey."
] |
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Russia: This is blatant and reckless escalation! If war happens, they are to blame! | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic.",
">\n\nLet them, Turkey.",
">\n\nNice they need a couple of flat tops too"
] |
>
People like to poke fun at the Navy and Air Force and how they aren’t as tough as the Army and the Marines, but they are one of the reasons why the major powers haven’t (directly) engaged in hostilities with the US since Korea. You can fire a couple of rpgs and take out HUMVs and chinook’s; it’s a lot harder to do that do a guided-missile destroyer… especially since the destroyer can call air support from a nuclear powered landing strip.
Also the Airforce can bomb you from the stratosphere with 3X the amount of bombs as it’s heaviest bomber from the Korean War. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic.",
">\n\nLet them, Turkey.",
">\n\nNice they need a couple of flat tops too",
">\n\nRussia: This is blatant and reckless escalation! If war happens, they are to blame!"
] |
>
What would happen if the US got Romania or Bulgaria to build warships for them and then leased a naval base? USN in the Black Sea without having to traverse the Straits? | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic.",
">\n\nLet them, Turkey.",
">\n\nNice they need a couple of flat tops too",
">\n\nRussia: This is blatant and reckless escalation! If war happens, they are to blame!",
">\n\nPeople like to poke fun at the Navy and Air Force and how they aren’t as tough as the Army and the Marines, but they are one of the reasons why the major powers haven’t (directly) engaged in hostilities with the US since Korea. You can fire a couple of rpgs and take out HUMVs and chinook’s; it’s a lot harder to do that do a guided-missile destroyer… especially since the destroyer can call air support from a nuclear powered landing strip.\nAlso the Airforce can bomb you from the stratosphere with 3X the amount of bombs as it’s heaviest bomber from the Korean War."
] |
>
Hmm, bet it can destroy stuff. A lot of stuff. | [
"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic.",
">\n\nLet them, Turkey.",
">\n\nNice they need a couple of flat tops too",
">\n\nRussia: This is blatant and reckless escalation! If war happens, they are to blame!",
">\n\nPeople like to poke fun at the Navy and Air Force and how they aren’t as tough as the Army and the Marines, but they are one of the reasons why the major powers haven’t (directly) engaged in hostilities with the US since Korea. You can fire a couple of rpgs and take out HUMVs and chinook’s; it’s a lot harder to do that do a guided-missile destroyer… especially since the destroyer can call air support from a nuclear powered landing strip.\nAlso the Airforce can bomb you from the stratosphere with 3X the amount of bombs as it’s heaviest bomber from the Korean War.",
">\n\nWhat would happen if the US got Romania or Bulgaria to build warships for them and then leased a naval base? USN in the Black Sea without having to traverse the Straits?"
] |
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"Tl;dr Passage of warships is still denied to everyone so the US warship is visiting the bosphorus without crossing",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the Montreux Convention prevents warships of the countries at war from crossing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits. Under peacetime conditions, warships are allowed to cross under certain conditions and provided it's approved by Turkey.\nSo couldn't the US argue that since it's not at war with either Ukraine or Russia and be allowed to cross?",
">\n\nTheres no need for that because if the us presses the issue they can have their warships pass through, which already happened in the past during cold war.\nCurrently everyone is focused on keeping the russian ships out of the black sea. Several russian ships from pacific fleet were denied entry and knowing this prevents russia from sending everything they have to ukrainian shores.\nSince the us has nothing to do other than show of force in the black sea, pushing the issue and sending their ships through the bosphorus would gain them nothing positive. However it would give russia the excuse they need and make it difficult if not impossible to justify sending russian warships away.\nSo it's better if the us warships visit the bosphorus without crossing. They can, if they want to, but they really shouldn't.",
">\n\nAh, soft power in action. It's not loud and doesn't make idiots feel strong at home, but so much of the US's naval policy is to be without doing. \nIt's not that the US is there, but that it can be there. Such a public presence let's Russia know that the United States sits on Russia's border of naval influence and reminds Russia that the US can penetrate in with relative impunity.",
">\n\nThe US Navy just silently wishing a mf would, and hanging out right in the background just so you know that they know that you know",
">\n\nThe airforce has been doing something similar, if you go on flight tracker, there’s usually a AWACS on the Polish-Ukraine border, and a global hawk recon drone (Callsign FORTE10) right on the international waters line south of Sebastopol.",
">\n\nPlus all the tankers loitering all along the borders of Russia, Moldova, Belarus etc pretty much 24/7 since this invasion started. They're refueling something we usually can't see, though occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark. Just having those tankers there with transponders on is sending a message as well - the public can see the flying gas stations, which means they have to be servicing something else",
">\n\n\nthough occasionally you catch a glimpse of an F16 or F18 or some such before they go dark.\n\nI remember back when every NATO transponder around the Europe area went dark.",
">\n\nWhen was that?",
">\n\nLike the beginning of March in 2022.",
">\n\nHere's a quick warning. Ours work.",
">\n\nmeanwhile French \"warning shots\" be like a nuclear missile",
">\n\nThey seem to have been spending and keeping their military well equipped compared to some of those European NATO members that embraced peace. This is not a criticism of those countries, I also believed that we were finally done with arms races and geopolitical conflicts and that we could finally come together embracing peace and not spending massive amounts of money on defence. Now you got the stupidity of Putin and Winnie the Pooh in China also trying to flex the CCP's supposed muscles and intimidating all of it's neighbours.",
">\n\nSome of us are pretty done with war, but not everybody is.\nJust look around the globe. Most are likely not going to fuck with NATO and just keep fighting amongst themselves. But never say never.\nIt's folly to not be prepared to defend yourself.\nThis Ukraine war was a huge wakeup call to EU members, and their increased in defense spending reflects that it actually hit home.",
">\n\nThis is the Military equivalent of asking your parents when they'll be back and you responding\n\"Oh, No reason.\"\nDefinitely no boning.",
">\n\nGreat photo! Istanbul is always so photogenic.",
">\n\nI don't know, it's kind of hazy in that pic. I always imagine ~~Constantinopla~~ Istanbul as a bright and sunny city, like in this pic.",
">\n\n\nConstantinopla Istanbul\n\nYou mean Byzantium?",
">\n\nthat is nobody's business but the Turks",
">\n\nIt’s just spoiling for a fight.",
">\n\nThis is AEGIS. Russia sent Iskanders into Belorussia a few days ago. This is positioning assets.\nShould be noted that Russia transferred nuclear weapons to Belorussia last year. \nThis is a contravention of agreements signed by Russia, it's quite severe.\nThis gives Russia shorter distance to target: Warsaw, Berlin and so on.",
">\n\nAegis of the immortal",
">\n\nUSN is significantly more powerful than Roshan.",
">\n\nTheir AEGIS system can track EVERYTHING in the sky and target anything it chooses, from missiles to satellites. This would be a unit that would knock down any special kinds of missiles as well. 🫥",
">\n\nYou make a good point and there's a lot more trust in American military technology right now than there has been for a long time. The US military-industrial complex has still been going strong and they're about to get some serious cashflow considering how many countries are trying to rearm as quickly as possible.",
">\n\nIt’s quite interesting, people have complained about military spending for a long time, primarily because it didn’t seem relevant.\nA result though is that ours systems have always worked and been continuously upgraded. We have known for a while how unlikely other countries systems are to perform as advertised or how accurate their targeting is.",
">\n\nDon’t shake the war eagles nest Vlad",
">\n\nHe's just Stalin for time.",
">\n\ni live near several military bases, but the one closest to me rarely made a peep. usually a random chinook flying randomly (maybe a few times a week) that would shake the house, and usually when the president visits, they land at this smaller base instead of the commercial airport, and other than that, nothing. but since february last year, i hear more and more military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night, nearly every single day. i don't think this is a coincidence. i hope russia understands that we aren't a country you fuck around with. i think the kremlin knows this, but their propaganda mouthpieces spew garbage nonetheless. i guarantee our government/military is basically acting identically to assuming we're going to end up in a real war with russia, to be safe/prepared, as it's a real possibility. makes sense though, if you know war is coming, you prepare. we don't know for sure, but since it's a possibility, time to get in more training hours and bolster up",
">\n\nThe US Navy is the great reminder to not be too f----ing stupid lol Or basically they sit there going, We quadruple dog dare you.",
">\n\nOh boy my old command",
">\n\nIs there anything that a modern ship like this would be vulnerable to? They seem like the sort of ships that would be able to destroy anything at long range.",
">\n\nGeneral strategy is either use missiles in a sea-skimming mode or just use more missiles. Burke class apparently has ASW capabilities, but for a single ship a submarine might be sneaky enough.\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around, that might be worth a go, but modern anti ship missiles are probably quite effective vs them.\nYou might also get decent results by fitting a missile with a multi-drone payload, but CIWS can probably track those by now.\nOther poster mentioned the Cole, but that was in port, so getting a 'civilian' vessel close was easier.",
">\n\n\nIf you happen to have a battleship floating around\n\nWhat is this WW2 nonsense, it's all FFGs and DDGs now.",
">\n\nHence the wording. Battleships didn't really compete with air power and missiles.",
">\n\nDestroyer, Destroy!",
">\n\nMore likely this is the US response to the Russian Navy sending that Destroyer over our way last week to “flex” their muscles and threaten us with a simulated launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in the Atlantic.",
">\n\nLet them, Turkey.",
">\n\nNice they need a couple of flat tops too",
">\n\nRussia: This is blatant and reckless escalation! If war happens, they are to blame!",
">\n\nPeople like to poke fun at the Navy and Air Force and how they aren’t as tough as the Army and the Marines, but they are one of the reasons why the major powers haven’t (directly) engaged in hostilities with the US since Korea. You can fire a couple of rpgs and take out HUMVs and chinook’s; it’s a lot harder to do that do a guided-missile destroyer… especially since the destroyer can call air support from a nuclear powered landing strip.\nAlso the Airforce can bomb you from the stratosphere with 3X the amount of bombs as it’s heaviest bomber from the Korean War.",
">\n\nWhat would happen if the US got Romania or Bulgaria to build warships for them and then leased a naval base? USN in the Black Sea without having to traverse the Straits?",
">\n\nHmm, bet it can destroy stuff. A lot of stuff."
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The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses?
That migrant flight program? | [] |
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All those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.
/s | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?"
] |
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The Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans. | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s"
] |
>
So wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around. | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans."
] |
>
This why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much.
But I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know? | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around."
] |
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The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses?
That migrant flight program? | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?"
] |
>
All those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.
/s | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?",
">\n\nThe very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?"
] |
>
The Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans. | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?",
">\n\nThe very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s"
] |
>
So wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around. | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?",
">\n\nThe very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans."
] |
>
This why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much.
But I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know? | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?",
">\n\nThe very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around."
] |
> | [
"The very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?",
">\n\nThe very illegal migrant flight program where he's human trafficking migrants to other states under false pretenses? \nThat migrant flight program?",
">\n\nAll those migrants sneaking over the border into Florida.\n/s",
">\n\nThe Cuban ones that are hated by the already-here Cubans.",
">\n\nSo wasting MORE tax money on political theater. Seems if Biden knows, he could send the air force to turn the planes around.",
">\n\nThis why I'm pretty confident that DeSantis isn't going to do well with his presidential run. Yeah, the racist mouth breathers love causing unnecessary misery. Suburban housewives? Not so much. \nBut I also thought there's no way we'd elect Trump. So what do I know?"
] |
You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart?
Cause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity. | [] |
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The bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity. | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity."
] |
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This is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity."
] |
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Term limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians"
] |
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OK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits? | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits"
] |
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That’s a rough article
“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.” | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?"
] |
>
As a Californian this fossilized, helmet haired Oligarch should have never been voted in at all. She capitalized on tragedy and then inside traded herself into mega wealth. She's everything that's wrong with Neo-Liberalism. | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?",
">\n\nThat’s a rough article\n\n“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.”"
] |
>
Nothing sums up most voters more than this story:
I begged everyone I know not to vote for her in ‘18, said “She’s too old.” My mother-in-law was particularly offended, chastised me for ageism.
Recently, my mother-in-law said to me “she never should have run last time, she was too old.” | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?",
">\n\nThat’s a rough article\n\n“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.”",
">\n\nAs a Californian this fossilized, helmet haired Oligarch should have never been voted in at all. She capitalized on tragedy and then inside traded herself into mega wealth. She's everything that's wrong with Neo-Liberalism."
] |
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I moved to SF in 2008 and most people I knew thought she should retire then. 14 years later she’s still there…it’s long past time we implemented term limits for congress and SCOTUS. | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?",
">\n\nThat’s a rough article\n\n“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.”",
">\n\nAs a Californian this fossilized, helmet haired Oligarch should have never been voted in at all. She capitalized on tragedy and then inside traded herself into mega wealth. She's everything that's wrong with Neo-Liberalism.",
">\n\nNothing sums up most voters more than this story:\nI begged everyone I know not to vote for her in ‘18, said “She’s too old.” My mother-in-law was particularly offended, chastised me for ageism. \nRecently, my mother-in-law said to me “she never should have run last time, she was too old.”"
] |
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Dianne Feinstein was born in 1933 and the Golden Gate Bridge was finished in 1937. Yep, she's older than the iconic Golden Gate Bridge. | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?",
">\n\nThat’s a rough article\n\n“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.”",
">\n\nAs a Californian this fossilized, helmet haired Oligarch should have never been voted in at all. She capitalized on tragedy and then inside traded herself into mega wealth. She's everything that's wrong with Neo-Liberalism.",
">\n\nNothing sums up most voters more than this story:\nI begged everyone I know not to vote for her in ‘18, said “She’s too old.” My mother-in-law was particularly offended, chastised me for ageism. \nRecently, my mother-in-law said to me “she never should have run last time, she was too old.”",
">\n\nI moved to SF in 2008 and most people I knew thought she should retire then. 14 years later she’s still there…it’s long past time we implemented term limits for congress and SCOTUS."
] |
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Also older than chocolate chip cookies. | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?",
">\n\nThat’s a rough article\n\n“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.”",
">\n\nAs a Californian this fossilized, helmet haired Oligarch should have never been voted in at all. She capitalized on tragedy and then inside traded herself into mega wealth. She's everything that's wrong with Neo-Liberalism.",
">\n\nNothing sums up most voters more than this story:\nI begged everyone I know not to vote for her in ‘18, said “She’s too old.” My mother-in-law was particularly offended, chastised me for ageism. \nRecently, my mother-in-law said to me “she never should have run last time, she was too old.”",
">\n\nI moved to SF in 2008 and most people I knew thought she should retire then. 14 years later she’s still there…it’s long past time we implemented term limits for congress and SCOTUS.",
">\n\nDianne Feinstein was born in 1933 and the Golden Gate Bridge was finished in 1937. Yep, she's older than the iconic Golden Gate Bridge."
] |
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Thanks for that fun fact! I would have never guessed. So glad I wasn't born in the 1800s. | [
"You notice how no one is tearing Patrick Leahy apart? \nCause he had the good grace to step away with some dignity.",
">\n\nThe bigger point is that no one ever questioned the lucidity of Pat Leahy. Many people have been upfront about their concerns regarding Feinstein's clearly diminishing mental capacity.",
">\n\nThis is why we need term limits and a retirement age for politicians",
">\n\nTerm limits only give lobbyist more power. It's been tried before on the state level. I agree with age limits",
">\n\nOK but if we have term limits, maybe they’ll vote to get the money out of politics because you know they have term limits?",
">\n\nThat’s a rough article\n\n“God bless her,” said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on major statewide campaigns in California. “But the most pathetic part of politics is when somebody doesn’t know when it’s time to leave.”",
">\n\nAs a Californian this fossilized, helmet haired Oligarch should have never been voted in at all. She capitalized on tragedy and then inside traded herself into mega wealth. She's everything that's wrong with Neo-Liberalism.",
">\n\nNothing sums up most voters more than this story:\nI begged everyone I know not to vote for her in ‘18, said “She’s too old.” My mother-in-law was particularly offended, chastised me for ageism. \nRecently, my mother-in-law said to me “she never should have run last time, she was too old.”",
">\n\nI moved to SF in 2008 and most people I knew thought she should retire then. 14 years later she’s still there…it’s long past time we implemented term limits for congress and SCOTUS.",
">\n\nDianne Feinstein was born in 1933 and the Golden Gate Bridge was finished in 1937. Yep, she's older than the iconic Golden Gate Bridge.",
">\n\nAlso older than chocolate chip cookies."
] |
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