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[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical)." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion", ">\n\nWould you consider the 1990s slate of Disney movies \"musicals\" in this sense? Aladdin, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast? How about the live-action remakes?\nThe Book of Mormon was fun, and I thought Hair worked as well. Are there other stage shows that stick in your craw?" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion", ">\n\nWould you consider the 1990s slate of Disney movies \"musicals\" in this sense? Aladdin, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast? How about the live-action remakes?\nThe Book of Mormon was fun, and I thought Hair worked as well. Are there other stage shows that stick in your craw?", ">\n\nThe movies are great! I think the main thing is watching humans act in like a non-human / extremely dramatic way and singing so grandiosely" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion", ">\n\nWould you consider the 1990s slate of Disney movies \"musicals\" in this sense? Aladdin, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast? How about the live-action remakes?\nThe Book of Mormon was fun, and I thought Hair worked as well. Are there other stage shows that stick in your craw?", ">\n\nThe movies are great! I think the main thing is watching humans act in like a non-human / extremely dramatic way and singing so grandiosely", ">\n\nIf you don't like it you don't like it. I'm not that big on opera even though it's a direct ancestor of musical theatre, which I do like." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion", ">\n\nWould you consider the 1990s slate of Disney movies \"musicals\" in this sense? Aladdin, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast? How about the live-action remakes?\nThe Book of Mormon was fun, and I thought Hair worked as well. Are there other stage shows that stick in your craw?", ">\n\nThe movies are great! I think the main thing is watching humans act in like a non-human / extremely dramatic way and singing so grandiosely", ">\n\nIf you don't like it you don't like it. I'm not that big on opera even though it's a direct ancestor of musical theatre, which I do like.", ">\n\nI feel like this really depends on what kind of musical you're watching. Hamilton is nowhere near Grease which is nowhere near Hadestown. Those are all vastly different shows/stories. Someone saying they \"hate all musicals\" is kind of like someone saying they \"hate all movies\"\nI mean it's your life, it just seems really hyperbolic." ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion", ">\n\nWould you consider the 1990s slate of Disney movies \"musicals\" in this sense? Aladdin, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast? How about the live-action remakes?\nThe Book of Mormon was fun, and I thought Hair worked as well. Are there other stage shows that stick in your craw?", ">\n\nThe movies are great! I think the main thing is watching humans act in like a non-human / extremely dramatic way and singing so grandiosely", ">\n\nIf you don't like it you don't like it. I'm not that big on opera even though it's a direct ancestor of musical theatre, which I do like.", ">\n\nI feel like this really depends on what kind of musical you're watching. Hamilton is nowhere near Grease which is nowhere near Hadestown. Those are all vastly different shows/stories. Someone saying they \"hate all musicals\" is kind of like someone saying they \"hate all movies\"\nI mean it's your life, it just seems really hyperbolic.", ">\n\nI 💖 Wizard of Oz" ]

[ "I’m not a fan of musicals other than one or two (idk why, but I’ve always liked Grease), but I don’t get why people on Reddit bash them to death. \nMusicals, like most other forms of entertainment, require suspension of disbelief to work. Nobody speaks and then over-the-top sings and acts out of nowhere with synchronized choreography. Just like most slasher film killers are able to overcome just about anything, comedies often have the most unrealistic and outlandish situations, etc. \nIt is what it is 🤷🏼", ">\n\nOh totally, I don’t like musicals but I didn’t know people bash them on Reddit. My fiancé and her family love them so I’m surrounded by people that like them, I didn’t know they were unpopular on here", ">\n\nOnly the most sheltered teens think this is an unpopular opinion. And they repost it constantly", ">\n\nIt depends what type of musical it is.", ">\n\nNope. It's a common opinion for people to dislike musicals. It's goofball silly to pretend it's rare or unpopular", ">\n\nTheres alot of pretend, my freind.", ">\n\nWould you think it's an unpopular opinion to dislike pineapple on pizza, even though there is enough people who like it to get every pizza place to carry pineapple?", ">\n\nCringe is made up concept. \nI was gunna something very realistic but im to high atm", ">\n\nWhich musical pissed u off into thinking so LMAO", ">\n\nListening to Hadestown, about to see it tonight. Even watching Hamilton is awkward to an extent in the same way all musicals are. Watched In The Heights and that was a rough watch", ">\n\nCringe is the wrong word. You're right to say that they're over the top, but when has a musical ever pretended to be realistic?\nAlso, disliking musicals is EXTREMELY popular among young people these days. Not at all an unpopular opinion. The only musical that has revived mainstream attention in the last 10 years or so is Hamilton, mostly because it was unlike most other musicals (i.e. a rap/pop musical).", ">\n\nMan people really dislike the word cringe huh? I would have changed it, I personally cringe when I watch them, it’s like painful to watch them. \nBut yeah I guess I’m surrounded by a strong outliers, around me thinking musicals are cringe is an unpopular opinion", ">\n\nWhere you're wrong is using cringe in this context. People use that as a synonym for second hand embarrassment or just simply something they don't like to see or would not do themselves. Cringe as a sensation is when you are so uncomfortable by something that your body physically reacts to it strongly. I refuse to believe musicals have this effect on you.", ">\n\nSweeney Todd was pretty badass. Just saying.", ">\n\nDownvote, not unpopular to me.", ">\n\nI agree but the pick of destiny is fucking fire 🔥", ">\n\nThe acting isn’t over the top at all. Also you fail to explain why it’s cringe. I can’t stand when people saying something is bad and “cringe” without actually explaining why.\nEver see Phantom of the Opera? Or the Nut Cracker? You don’t know what you are talking about and just call things cringe because you don’t like them.", ">\n\nThe nut cracker is a ballet?\nIt physically makes me uncomfortable watching people act ridiculous and act over the top and swoop around on stage. \nI guess I’ve done my job though by making you annoyed by my unpopular opinion", ">\n\nI’m not annoyed. I’m just saying you used the word cringe to explain why you don’t like it, but at least you acknowledge it makes you uncomfortable. \nThat’s something at least.", ">\n\nIsn’t cringe subjective anyway? People have some serious knee jerk reactions to the word cringe", ">\n\nIt’s because people over use it as an adjective. But anyway.", ">\n\nMost unpopular opinion in r/unpopularopinion", ">\n\nWould you consider the 1990s slate of Disney movies \"musicals\" in this sense? Aladdin, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast? How about the live-action remakes?\nThe Book of Mormon was fun, and I thought Hair worked as well. Are there other stage shows that stick in your craw?", ">\n\nThe movies are great! I think the main thing is watching humans act in like a non-human / extremely dramatic way and singing so grandiosely", ">\n\nIf you don't like it you don't like it. I'm not that big on opera even though it's a direct ancestor of musical theatre, which I do like.", ">\n\nI feel like this really depends on what kind of musical you're watching. Hamilton is nowhere near Grease which is nowhere near Hadestown. Those are all vastly different shows/stories. Someone saying they \"hate all musicals\" is kind of like someone saying they \"hate all movies\"\nI mean it's your life, it just seems really hyperbolic.", ">\n\nI 💖 Wizard of Oz", ">\n\nI agree. They’re really annoying." ]

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[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead.", ">\n\nYou're too old and you dont have the time to dip your fingers into all the Multiplayer games, that's the truth. \nInternet didnt ruin anything, companies figuring out how to make shit tons of money from microtransactions at the cost of a quality product IS what has made gaming worse.\n​\nYes, you can play solo games by yourself and enjoy them at anytime. enjoy that. The unfortunate truth is that the market and companies have realized it's easy as shit to make money from online games.\nOn top of quality being half assed \"to an extent\" -343 , TRS , EA, DICE, etc etc" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead.", ">\n\nYou're too old and you dont have the time to dip your fingers into all the Multiplayer games, that's the truth. \nInternet didnt ruin anything, companies figuring out how to make shit tons of money from microtransactions at the cost of a quality product IS what has made gaming worse.\n​\nYes, you can play solo games by yourself and enjoy them at anytime. enjoy that. The unfortunate truth is that the market and companies have realized it's easy as shit to make money from online games.\nOn top of quality being half assed \"to an extent\" -343 , TRS , EA, DICE, etc etc", ">\n\nThis is why I only play multiplayer with my best friend." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead.", ">\n\nYou're too old and you dont have the time to dip your fingers into all the Multiplayer games, that's the truth. \nInternet didnt ruin anything, companies figuring out how to make shit tons of money from microtransactions at the cost of a quality product IS what has made gaming worse.\n​\nYes, you can play solo games by yourself and enjoy them at anytime. enjoy that. The unfortunate truth is that the market and companies have realized it's easy as shit to make money from online games.\nOn top of quality being half assed \"to an extent\" -343 , TRS , EA, DICE, etc etc", ">\n\nThis is why I only play multiplayer with my best friend.", ">\n\nI’d like to add that the open world craze needs to die already too. \nI’m not 14 anymore and can’t grind out 3-4hours a night to make a snail’s progress." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead.", ">\n\nYou're too old and you dont have the time to dip your fingers into all the Multiplayer games, that's the truth. \nInternet didnt ruin anything, companies figuring out how to make shit tons of money from microtransactions at the cost of a quality product IS what has made gaming worse.\n​\nYes, you can play solo games by yourself and enjoy them at anytime. enjoy that. The unfortunate truth is that the market and companies have realized it's easy as shit to make money from online games.\nOn top of quality being half assed \"to an extent\" -343 , TRS , EA, DICE, etc etc", ">\n\nThis is why I only play multiplayer with my best friend.", ">\n\nI’d like to add that the open world craze needs to die already too. \nI’m not 14 anymore and can’t grind out 3-4hours a night to make a snail’s progress.", ">\n\nI play games to unwind, what I do is, get in, MUTE EVERYONE, play.\nNever checked social features and never sent any messages.\nThe only games I play full multiplayer with all features are the ones I play with friends: Civilization VI, Minecraft, Warcraft, and Age of Empires/Mythology" ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead.", ">\n\nYou're too old and you dont have the time to dip your fingers into all the Multiplayer games, that's the truth. \nInternet didnt ruin anything, companies figuring out how to make shit tons of money from microtransactions at the cost of a quality product IS what has made gaming worse.\n​\nYes, you can play solo games by yourself and enjoy them at anytime. enjoy that. The unfortunate truth is that the market and companies have realized it's easy as shit to make money from online games.\nOn top of quality being half assed \"to an extent\" -343 , TRS , EA, DICE, etc etc", ">\n\nThis is why I only play multiplayer with my best friend.", ">\n\nI’d like to add that the open world craze needs to die already too. \nI’m not 14 anymore and can’t grind out 3-4hours a night to make a snail’s progress.", ">\n\nI play games to unwind, what I do is, get in, MUTE EVERYONE, play.\nNever checked social features and never sent any messages.\nThe only games I play full multiplayer with all features are the ones I play with friends: Civilization VI, Minecraft, Warcraft, and Age of Empires/Mythology", ">\n\nI agree mainly because I have my own personal issues that basically do not allow me to play multiplayer which closes of a bunch of games I would of played because they look fun but due to some personal issues I can't play them." ]

[ "I'd argue one step further and say the internet has ruined gaming. Yes, MMO and multiplayer games can be fun. But they're ruined by data mining and people just copying the meta. Gone are the days of unique builds in rpg's or unique decks in ccg's. The internet has created a gaming culture of 'must win' or 'must be the best' instead of just having fun. \nPlaying single player games without walkthroughs and being stuck on a level for weeks and persevering to finally figure it out was a real buzz. It's too easy now to Google the answers when you're stuck. No meta, no walkthroughs, no trolls. The glory days of gaming.\nMaybe I'm just old but I agree gaming has been ruined in part by online gaming. Don't get me wrong I used to love playing Duke Nukem 3D over LAN against my friends. But I'd rather that's as far as multiplayer had ever gotten.", ">\n\nEven for single player games people get mad if others don’t follow the meta.\nLike bro let people enjoy games how they want too", ">\n\nCorporate greed has ruined gaming. The rise of online-only gaming is just a symptom.", ">\n\nThe worst part about that is people blame the devs, game devs get so much hate on the internet for it although it’s definitely the publishers/owners decision", ">\n\nSo far no one mentions Pay to win for multiplayer games. This is an eventual fate when a multiplayer game gets popular. They'd rather make quick money for maybe two years and close down and do other stuff than maintaining the game out of courtesy for decades... So IMO this ruins most online games.", ">\n\nI feel like Minecraft is an exception to this", ">\n\nI enjoy online co-op. For the most part I'm not big into PvP.", ">\n\nI gotta agree for the most part. Online multiplayer has just become too much of the focus for alot of games.", ">\n\nThat's because 90% of gamers prefer this. If it wasn't true, companies wouldn't do it.", ">\n\nI dunno, I think there’s something to be said for the power and persuasion of marketing. Online games provide game companies with a total gold mine of potential profits, way more than any single player game. There’s just so much more to monetize in online. Who’s to say that much of the interest in online multiplayer isn’t driven by marketing pushes, since it benefits the company the more people play and engage online.", ">\n\nYeah I mostly prefer single player games with a multiplier option but not pure multiplayer games.", ">\n\nBTD6 is the perfect example of multiplayer as a side mode, the game has online co-op and a few leaderboards for events, but the main game is pure, farm fresh singleplayer", ">\n\nI only play single player games or couch co op with my daughters. In my younger years I played WoW and helped lead 20-40 man raids on dragons and the like… I outgrew it. \nOther players generally ruin gaming.", ">\n\nIf I'm understanding correctly, what you're pointing to is corporate greed, not online multiplayer in and of itself?\nIf you (\"you\" in general, not specifically OP) don't have the self control to not go crazy buying skins & the like, that's kind of a you problem. I have no problem with mtx/battlepasses/lootboxes existing, you can choose not to buy in. When they pop up in single player games, sometimes I'll buy them, sometimes I won't, depending on how much I like the game. It's a different thing if we're talking blatant pay to win, but I'm personally not going to play a game (irrespective of how good of a game it is) where my in-game success is dependent on how much cheddar I throw at it. That's a deal breaker for me.\nOnline multiplayer makes a good vehicle for these practices, but none of these practices are specifically the fault of online multiplayer.", ">\n\nSeeing your favorite games, I'm assuming your taste in games is goated", ">\n\nty!", ">\n\nSingleplayer games still exist, therefore gaming as a whole isn't ruined.", ">\n\nUnless your preferred games are FPSs. I grew up playing wolfenstein, Duke nukem 3D, doom, half life. Any FPS these days is primarily focused on online play. I have neither the time nor inclination to compete against squeeling teenagers.\nSo yes, for me online gaming has ruined the experience for me.", ">\n\nDo you look into any indie games, there are thousands of indie FPS games. Ultrakill, Severed Steel, A.W.O.L, Dusk, you get the idea. My point is there are still singleplayer FPS games. You just got to look past the AAA crap, which most likely wouldn’t be worth it even if it was singleplayer.", ">\n\nThis feels like the “I was born in the wrong generation, todays music sucks” argument. There are more games than ever, single player or otherwise. Maybe if you just went and played the games you liked instead of complaining about all the games you don’t you’d see there are still plenty of incredible single player games. Stardew Valley, Disco Elysium, and of the darks souls games, MGS5, etc… this is a dumb take.", ">\n\nUgh, why can't we just go back to when open world wasn't a thing and you had to do things IN ORDER and the story was ALL you got. /s", ">\n\nI met my fiancé on Friday the 13th, online. 💖", ">\n\nI have a whole friend group online 🥰 we play a lot of games together sometimes it's just 2 playing something, or we are all together when an nice game gets an update or smth.\nFor me online gaming is about the social aspect. The gaming experience itself is better with single players, agree.", ">\n\nOnline gaming overcomes many disadvantages of local software based games. Including bug fixes, patches, and updates. The distribution of the game is far simpler that doesn't involve the manufacturing of discs or other devices, making it far simpler and better for the environment. Your game data can be saved and retrieved anywhere. From the game Operation perspective, a multiplayer game is going to have to be controlled by a central server. Logistically there's no easy way around that. \nThere are still plenty of single player games out there. The online multiplayer game fills a role or need that is existed since the late 80s when us kids would line up around a Street fighter or mortal Kombat game and put a quarter on the machine and wait to challenge the next person. Online multiplayer has not ruined gaming it's just not your thing.", ">\n\nOP is talking about online multiplayer, not using the internet as a distribution or maintenance tool for games. The advantages you mention aren’t at all specific to multiplayer games. You can achieve the exact same through steam or other platforms for games that are oriented around single player modes.", ">\n\nI agree with you that there is a downside. It's something that I thought would be incredible back before it existed, but I don't really enjoy it now that it is here. I think I am too thin-skinned for it.", ">\n\nI hate that when you do find a good single player game to find out they still do micro transactions, I shouldn’t be tempted to spend extra money on a game I play by myself aside from DLC that adds content to the game. Fallout 4 and the atomic store being the first evidence of this kind of problem.", ">\n\nFor me, its Playstation Trophies that have ruined games for me. It's not an addiction at all because I can go weeks if not months without playing games when I have been travelling in the past with no such withdrawals or temptations. However, I play Valorant and Overwatch 2 on PC, otherwise PS5 (previously PS4 and PS3), SteamDeck and Nintendo Switch. \nI find myself hardly ever touching anything except competitive multiplayer on PC, and games on PS, as I can play for Rank progress on PC, or my impressive PSN Trophy collection.\nI have no interest in Steam Achievements, as I started with PSN first in my early teens. Nintendo has no such collection based mechanic. I only get games on Switch or PC that are not avaliable on Playstation, because if I was to play them on other platforms, I would be kicking myself thinking, \"I could be getting the same experience but getting trophies for this.\"\nOccasionally I break the cycle and enjoy my Switch games, or play online games on PC with my friends, not ranked queues, and really enjoy myself. I do feel like my recent ADHD diagnosis has a lot to answer for. Trophies feel like a list I get to check off and its so, so satisfying. They also help me focus on the game for longer. I've picked up new hobbies and dropped them many times over the years, which is transparent with my gaming, having been invested in MMOs and certain series in the past which I don't play any more, but one thing I am always gonna come back to is my trophy collection. It's bittersweet, as this has both made, and ruined, gaming for me.", ">\n\nYou can enjoy your single player/campaign mode games with multiplayer games still existing. One doesn't destroy the other.", ">\n\nthat would be true if it weren't for some singleplayer games having some of the tropes common in multiplayer games like microtransactions. I'm not saying that multiplayer is ruining gaming, it's that modern multiplayer games are ruining gaming", ">\n\nThere's so many games out there that there is going to inevitably be some that monetize differently, it doesn't mean that current multiplayer games are corrupting it, anymore than you may be able to argue that single player games are ruining multiplayer.", ">\n\nStop playing those types of games then, there's countless games being released that aren't full of that stuff. There are more games being released than we can count and an ever larger library of games we've never played.\nStop chasing AAA titles is an easy one. Be more choosy and stop choosing the biggest flashiest games. Some of those games can be amazing (Final Fantasy VIIR was awesome and was the last AAA title I bought, oh and Crisis Core very recently) but some of them are just so generic and repetative.\nYes, loot boxes and gacha elements suck most of the time. So ignore them, I do.", ">\n\nThe ones that lean towards esports (skill balance, toxic players, etc.), Pay 2 win, and/or one built with a loot box/gatcha system tends to be not fun.\nAn online co-op like Deep Rock Galactic makes online multiplayer very fun. Rock and stone. ⛏️", ">\n\n\nwith multiplayer games you are forced to interact with the community, which usually means more toxicity than skinny dipping in Chernobyl.\n\nGamers online can be some of worst behaved human garbage oxygen thieves out there, rivalled only by TikTok.\nI find that playing really early in the morning lessens the exposure dramatically because most of the others online aren’t from my time zone (North America) and act more civil", ">\n\nWhy is it, online multiplayer ruins every game and not corporate greed desperate to cash in on multiplayer so they stuff it everywhere is ruining every game?", ">\n\nStill plenty of single player games out there", ">\n\nDisagree i find most single player games super boring, if i wanted a good story id watch a movie, multiplayer games are fun i love knowing everytime i get a kill someone at their computer is saying \"fuck\" and banging their desk with their fist.", ">\n\ni mean yeah there are a lot of single player games out there. i also prefer single player games. there's lots of them. factorio, rimworld, binding of isaac, dead cells, supraland... just about every SNES game has a single player mode.\nplay those instead.", ">\n\nYou're too old and you dont have the time to dip your fingers into all the Multiplayer games, that's the truth. \nInternet didnt ruin anything, companies figuring out how to make shit tons of money from microtransactions at the cost of a quality product IS what has made gaming worse.\n​\nYes, you can play solo games by yourself and enjoy them at anytime. enjoy that. The unfortunate truth is that the market and companies have realized it's easy as shit to make money from online games.\nOn top of quality being half assed \"to an extent\" -343 , TRS , EA, DICE, etc etc", ">\n\nThis is why I only play multiplayer with my best friend.", ">\n\nI’d like to add that the open world craze needs to die already too. \nI’m not 14 anymore and can’t grind out 3-4hours a night to make a snail’s progress.", ">\n\nI play games to unwind, what I do is, get in, MUTE EVERYONE, play.\nNever checked social features and never sent any messages.\nThe only games I play full multiplayer with all features are the ones I play with friends: Civilization VI, Minecraft, Warcraft, and Age of Empires/Mythology", ">\n\nI agree mainly because I have my own personal issues that basically do not allow me to play multiplayer which closes of a bunch of games I would of played because they look fun but due to some personal issues I can't play them.", ">\n\nI think the only exception to what you're saying is online minecraft. While surely there are cheaters and other stuff, I've always found it amazing how the community built itself up.\nAlso, you can play modpack with your friends on a server hosted on your machine and edit the fuck out of everything you want about it. How many games allow that?" ]

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[ "I'm still trying to understand the post title." ]

[ "I'm still trying to understand the post title.", ">\n\nMight I offer baseball?" ]

[ "I'm still trying to understand the post title.", ">\n\nMight I offer baseball?", ">\n\nNot even remotely controversial, and barely unpopular." ]

[ "I'm still trying to understand the post title.", ">\n\nMight I offer baseball?", ">\n\nNot even remotely controversial, and barely unpopular.", ">\n\nIt's unpopular and controversial opinion in certain parts of the US like the South. I said this to my Southern cousin. It's one of the few times they've been angry with me. It's \"way of life\" as my cousin put it. I'm guessing the OP is from the Southern US." ]

[ "I'm still trying to understand the post title.", ">\n\nMight I offer baseball?", ">\n\nNot even remotely controversial, and barely unpopular.", ">\n\nIt's unpopular and controversial opinion in certain parts of the US like the South. I said this to my Southern cousin. It's one of the few times they've been angry with me. It's \"way of life\" as my cousin put it. I'm guessing the OP is from the Southern US.", ">\n\nWait football is boring but baseball isn't? Ok sure man..." ]

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[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be." ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company" ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter" ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad..." ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke." ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D" ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D", ">\n\n\ni like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D\n\nMan what a grizzly personality. You must be really polarizing. No more kodiak moments for you." ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D", ">\n\n\ni like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D\n\nMan what a grizzly personality. You must be really polarizing. No more kodiak moments for you.", ">\n\nyou forgot only about the ball BEARing :D" ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D", ">\n\n\ni like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D\n\nMan what a grizzly personality. You must be really polarizing. No more kodiak moments for you.", ">\n\nyou forgot only about the ball BEARing :D", ">\n\n“I’m hilarious, get used to it”\n-somebody that I stole this quote from" ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D", ">\n\n\ni like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D\n\nMan what a grizzly personality. You must be really polarizing. No more kodiak moments for you.", ">\n\nyou forgot only about the ball BEARing :D", ">\n\n“I’m hilarious, get used to it”\n-somebody that I stole this quote from", ">\n\nIf it makes you happy? Good" ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D", ">\n\n\ni like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D\n\nMan what a grizzly personality. You must be really polarizing. No more kodiak moments for you.", ">\n\nyou forgot only about the ball BEARing :D", ">\n\n“I’m hilarious, get used to it”\n-somebody that I stole this quote from", ">\n\nIf it makes you happy? Good", ">\n\nyeah i feel like in stand-up comedy it's frowned upon i will say to the people who can be funny with a straight face i envy. I am so easy to laugh. But i agree it's not sad." ]

[ "I always find it funny when some one can’t even get a joke out because they keep laughing on how funny it will be.", ">\n\nI'm really bad about this. Idk why but I laugh really hard at stuff. Like I cry laughing at least 2 or 3 times a month, oftentimes at jokes I made in my own head....\nIdk on the bright side, at least I can enjoy my own company", ">\n\ni crack one liners and dry jokes all the time and end up gagging from laughter", ">\n\nAnd it feels so good lmao\nIdk why people think this is sad...", ">\n\nNot sad, but can be annoying when they laugh so much that it takes them forever to actually even say the joke.", ">\n\ni sometimes LMFAO while typing a joke, not much cos of the joke but cos of the reaction i suppose from others, i like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D", ">\n\n\ni like to be \"unbearable\" with my jokes :D\n\nMan what a grizzly personality. You must be really polarizing. No more kodiak moments for you.", ">\n\nyou forgot only about the ball BEARing :D", ">\n\n“I’m hilarious, get used to it”\n-somebody that I stole this quote from", ">\n\nIf it makes you happy? Good", ">\n\nyeah i feel like in stand-up comedy it's frowned upon i will say to the people who can be funny with a straight face i envy. I am so easy to laugh. But i agree it's not sad.", ">\n\nI usually laugh at my own joke when it's an incredibly crude joke and I can barely believe what came out of my mouth." ]

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[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd" ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough.", ">\n\nI've been hoping for open warfare between Trump and the 'mainstream' GOP since 2015." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough.", ">\n\nI've been hoping for open warfare between Trump and the 'mainstream' GOP since 2015.", ">\n\nTrump is mainstream GOP now." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough.", ">\n\nI've been hoping for open warfare between Trump and the 'mainstream' GOP since 2015.", ">\n\nTrump is mainstream GOP now.", ">\n\nEvery time I think the Republicans have hit moral and ethical rock-bottom, they open a trap door." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough.", ">\n\nI've been hoping for open warfare between Trump and the 'mainstream' GOP since 2015.", ">\n\nTrump is mainstream GOP now.", ">\n\nEvery time I think the Republicans have hit moral and ethical rock-bottom, they open a trap door.", ">\n\nRace to the bottom? Start and Finish lines are in same place now. They've been at the bottom for some time now." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough.", ">\n\nI've been hoping for open warfare between Trump and the 'mainstream' GOP since 2015.", ">\n\nTrump is mainstream GOP now.", ">\n\nEvery time I think the Republicans have hit moral and ethical rock-bottom, they open a trap door.", ">\n\nRace to the bottom? Start and Finish lines are in same place now. They've been at the bottom for some time now.", ">\n\nEverything I think they have reached the bottom, they break out the shovels." ]

[ "Though DeSantis hasn’t officially announced that he’ll challenge Trump for the GOP nomination, he has captured the heart of many Republicans who want a more polished version of Trump’s gleeful denigration of minorities\n\nSo the gop just wants a shinier turd", ">\n\nFor some voters, they'll vote for anything if it's shiny enough.", ">\n\nAnd turdy enough.", ">\n\nI've been hoping for open warfare between Trump and the 'mainstream' GOP since 2015.", ">\n\nTrump is mainstream GOP now.", ">\n\nEvery time I think the Republicans have hit moral and ethical rock-bottom, they open a trap door.", ">\n\nRace to the bottom? Start and Finish lines are in same place now. They've been at the bottom for some time now.", ">\n\nEverything I think they have reached the bottom, they break out the shovels.", ">\n\nThat race is going on forty years now. Where ‘ya been?" ]