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[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy." ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too" ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him" ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”" ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?" ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?", ">\n\nI read that as experts weighing on his decapitation" ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?", ">\n\nI read that as experts weighing on his decapitation", ">\n\nLet’s not overlook the fact that the shadow in the thumbnail has an extra finger" ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?", ">\n\nI read that as experts weighing on his decapitation", ">\n\nLet’s not overlook the fact that the shadow in the thumbnail has an extra finger", ">\n\nIt seems the whole George Santos debacle is showing which people have interacted with pathological liars before in their life and which ones haven't. If you have interacted with a pathological liar, you understand that they just lie about everything all the time, but if you haven't you try and apply logic to his lies, which doesn't work." ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?", ">\n\nI read that as experts weighing on his decapitation", ">\n\nLet’s not overlook the fact that the shadow in the thumbnail has an extra finger", ">\n\nIt seems the whole George Santos debacle is showing which people have interacted with pathological liars before in their life and which ones haven't. If you have interacted with a pathological liar, you understand that they just lie about everything all the time, but if you haven't you try and apply logic to his lies, which doesn't work.", ">\n\nIt could be self esteem, but it could be profit motive. Santos’ grifting has served him well. If you’ve got the gift for grift and can avoid the consequences, it’s a lucrative gig." ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?", ">\n\nI read that as experts weighing on his decapitation", ">\n\nLet’s not overlook the fact that the shadow in the thumbnail has an extra finger", ">\n\nIt seems the whole George Santos debacle is showing which people have interacted with pathological liars before in their life and which ones haven't. If you have interacted with a pathological liar, you understand that they just lie about everything all the time, but if you haven't you try and apply logic to his lies, which doesn't work.", ">\n\nIt could be self esteem, but it could be profit motive. Santos’ grifting has served him well. If you’ve got the gift for grift and can avoid the consequences, it’s a lucrative gig.", ">\n\nPathology? Greed? Who cares just get him the fuck out." ]

[ "“In one study, we found that low self-esteem was one of the strongest personality predictors of someone’s tendency to lie — and so this pervasive sense of being inadequate and worrying that you’re not going to measure up. … On the other hand, we conducted other research that suggested that having kind of a dark, manipulative personality also is associated with high levels of lying. These people see everyone is a pawn in their game, and they are happy to manipulate people to get exactly what they want.”", ">\n\ncan't put my finger on it but this sounds like someone else...", ">\n\nIs he orange perchance?", ">\n\nIs it possible their low self-esteem is because of big diapers and tiny hands?", ">\n\nIn all seriousness, it was probably being terrified of not satisfying his father, getting cut off, and being driven to self destruction like his dad did to his brother\nHe's dead Donny, he's never going to tell you he's proud of you", ">\n\nI know a couple people like this who lie about everything. Sometimes they will even lie about things that don’t matter to lie about or that are just clearly lies to begin with. I don’t think that some people can control it.", ">\n\nIt's been awhile but I knew someone like this in HS. He was in my home room and would just lie about the most random stuff. Easily disprovable kinds of things. When confronted with his lies he lied some more until eventually he laughed and was like, \"fooled yah! I was just kidding around.\"\nExcept afterwards he went back to lying. People just stopped talking to him after a while because nothing worthwhile could be discussed without him fibbing about something. It seemed to be a game to him but no one else found it particularly entertaining.\nI didn't see him the next year. Maybe his parents finally got him some help. That's what I hope happened because for obvious reasons he didn't make friends so no one really knew or cared why he was no longer going to our school.", ">\n\nPathology.", ">\n\nHe's the kid at school who's uncle is Michael Jordan and Dad invented the Xbox so he gets all the games for free but can never describe them. His girlfriend is really hot but lives lives in another town.\nHe's the adult version of that.", ">\n\nWeird that they are using past tense like he just stopped lying when he got elected or something", ">\n\nAm I the only one linking this guy, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. to russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI see gold ... gold toilets....", ">\n\nTo me, the very presence of Santos represents the sheer magnitude of McCarthy's craven need to be called \"Speaker of the House\" (I use the word \"called\" because he certainly isn't a real one. He is so bound to the far right, heck, Trump doesn't even permit him to have an opinion about the insurrectionist that was killed by a copy during the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt).\nIf Santos were a Dem, McCarthy et al would be screaming for his ouster. There would be no case made that he was elected and it was the voter's choice.\nTo me, the very presence of Santos says McCarthy will tolerate anyone even someone who is a serial liar, a swindler who takes money from the elderly and a dying dog, and to put a bow on it all, a drag queen, something the GOP culture wars seems fixated on, except when its one of their own apparently.\nHow is it that all these contradictions don't cause massive cognitive dissonance in Republicans!?? I mean even people like McCarthy must have some aversion to hypocrisy when it gets this bad?? Or, maybe not... maybe McCarthy et al really are this devoid of any sense of morality.", ">\n\nThe better question to ask is why the Republican party attracts so many pathological liars. Santos isn't the only one in the party. The entire party is full of them.", ">\n\nI dunno, but it might be because he's a piece of shit.", ">\n\nSantos share the same gene with Donald Trump. Today the Republican party is a party of LIARS.", ">\n\nNo, trump at least lies strategically. Santos is compulsive. He lies when there’s not even any point to the lie. I knew a compulsive liar in college. Compulsive liars are nuts.", ">\n\nMore interesting is what made him tell the truth (if he ever did)? If telling lies is his default state, what takes him out of that?", ">\n\nConfrontation with Irrefutable evidence sometimes works… just sometimes.", ">\n\nHe did because he could. What consequences has he faced? What consequences did trump face when he tried to overthrow democracy?", ">\n\nReminds me of George costanza, but on a whole other level", ">\n\nInsecurity.", ">\n\nSome people are just compulsive liars. I had a roommate who compulsively lied. He was always telling stories. They were pretty obvious though. Like the time when he was ten and took five hundred dollars from his mother's purse and took it to a casino and played Blackjack with it.\nHe also had a tell. He'd put his index finger on his upper lip and look you in the eyes.", ">\n\nprob keepin his lip from quivering, unable to avoid making his tell more obvious", ">\n\nI think that he thought of it as his \"I'm serious\" gesture.", ">\n\nMember of GOP. Part of entrance exam.", ">\n\nHe learned it as a child from all of his moms.", ">\n\nBecause in politics lying or twisting the truth has little consequences. For the GOP, it’s an Olympic endeavor for the gold.", ">\n\nHow about getting what he wants and knowing there is really no cost in lying? He cracked the code! People like to be impressed by power and fame and will give you their trust without question. It’s a human trait to want to be associated with winners. Otherwise why would we bother with sports and the Olympics if we didn’t have the ability to attach ourselves to winning teams?", ">\n\nIt feels like extreme narcissism. \nAnother example is nr. 45.", ">\n\nIt’s because people with his face just lie, look at Kristen sinema", ">\n\nBetter question…what made everyone believe and elect him?", ">\n\nBecause the media ignore the opposition research that showed a bunch of his lies. SO, voters were left to vote for a person that doesn't exist.", ">\n\nConservatism taught him that there are never any consequences for lying", ">\n\nLiterally, who gives a fuck why he lies? Get him gone already.", ">\n\nto russian interference in US politics?", ">\n\nI swear this guy made my coffee at Starbucks yesterday", ">\n\nMoney?", ">\n\n\nmost people aren’t very good at recognizing deception. \nMost people are bad liars because they are uncomfortable\n\nWhich is it Washington Post. Was this written by an AI?", ">\n\nRecognizing lying and lying are two different skills, there is no contradiction there.", ">\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it, it seems like they have the advantage and are succeeding. Unless I suppose we're saying there are a minority of people that are accomplished super-liars contributing most of the undetected lying that's going on? Sure, that could be?", ">\n\n\nOk but if most listeners aren't recognizing the lying that's going on then most speakers can't be bad at it\n\nhere we see the fallacy of a zero sum game mindset.\nan amateur attacking an amateur is still an amateur.", ">\n\nI had a middle school student that would lie about anything and everything. He would even lie about things that don’t even matter unprompted. He was a little person, so I asked him if he had ever gone to a little person convention because they look fun. He made up this elaborate story of going to one that was completely false. Some people are just compelled to lie with every breath.", ">\n\nThis guy is fucked if he's ever under oath.", ">\n\n*Makes", ">\n\nHe wanted to 1-up Trump's dishonesty, and that was not easy.", ">\n\nI mean he sees the republicans lies 24-7 and he figures he could too", ">\n\nWell..look where it got him", ">\n\nTaylor Tomlinson has a very appropriate & funny joke for this. In essence…”His mental illness is like his middle name…you don’t know what it is but you know he has one.”", ">\n\nNon-American here: why the fuck is this guy is making so much news?", ">\n\nI read that as experts weighing on his decapitation", ">\n\nLet’s not overlook the fact that the shadow in the thumbnail has an extra finger", ">\n\nIt seems the whole George Santos debacle is showing which people have interacted with pathological liars before in their life and which ones haven't. If you have interacted with a pathological liar, you understand that they just lie about everything all the time, but if you haven't you try and apply logic to his lies, which doesn't work.", ">\n\nIt could be self esteem, but it could be profit motive. Santos’ grifting has served him well. If you’ve got the gift for grift and can avoid the consequences, it’s a lucrative gig.", ">\n\nPathology? Greed? Who cares just get him the fuck out.", ">\n\nThe American public has spoken. The majority of us want trolls in office. Social media can’t even touch americas appetite for social media trolls. Look at the people that are being elected!!" ]

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[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see" ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world.", ">\n\nYou're right how many 1000s of people say I'm not going to vote becouse it doesn't help" ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world.", ">\n\nYou're right how many 1000s of people say I'm not going to vote becouse it doesn't help", ">\n\nIt's not about free stuff and whatever systems you think aren't capitalism in the world are very likely still capitalism or at the least subject to the rest of the world being capitalist. The only way to change a democratic system is awareness which requires systemic critique and public education.\nThe main issue with capitalism is in the root of how it functions. Supply and demand. But really it's supply meeting monetary demand. This makes abundance of things like perishables not possible as we don't intentionally exceed demand with cheap abundant supply, we meet it. \nSupply is tied to production levels and consumption is tied to demand. If consumption doesn't increase with production we have job losses. As production ability increases the owners of means of production are the rich. It's impossible for everyone to be an owner so no matter how smart we all get it's not possible for everyone to live comfortably no matter how much you work. \nAutomation is considered negative due to job losses. This is clearly inefficient. The solution is to build automated cities with egalitarian distribution of resources and minimal required human labor for upkeep. If human labor is minimized to even 20% of current (not impossible, I think 10% is possible with this number also decreasing over time and can be determined based on how automated we decide to build initially) people would only have to work 8 hours a week (only 4 hours at 10%) to have what we have now. Rest of the time free to do other things for community or just enjoy life. You can't convince me this wouldn't be better. You can't convince me we aren't capable of building it. You can't convince me we couldn't do better even if what we have now is the best we currently have." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world.", ">\n\nYou're right how many 1000s of people say I'm not going to vote becouse it doesn't help", ">\n\nIt's not about free stuff and whatever systems you think aren't capitalism in the world are very likely still capitalism or at the least subject to the rest of the world being capitalist. The only way to change a democratic system is awareness which requires systemic critique and public education.\nThe main issue with capitalism is in the root of how it functions. Supply and demand. But really it's supply meeting monetary demand. This makes abundance of things like perishables not possible as we don't intentionally exceed demand with cheap abundant supply, we meet it. \nSupply is tied to production levels and consumption is tied to demand. If consumption doesn't increase with production we have job losses. As production ability increases the owners of means of production are the rich. It's impossible for everyone to be an owner so no matter how smart we all get it's not possible for everyone to live comfortably no matter how much you work. \nAutomation is considered negative due to job losses. This is clearly inefficient. The solution is to build automated cities with egalitarian distribution of resources and minimal required human labor for upkeep. If human labor is minimized to even 20% of current (not impossible, I think 10% is possible with this number also decreasing over time and can be determined based on how automated we decide to build initially) people would only have to work 8 hours a week (only 4 hours at 10%) to have what we have now. Rest of the time free to do other things for community or just enjoy life. You can't convince me this wouldn't be better. You can't convince me we aren't capable of building it. You can't convince me we couldn't do better even if what we have now is the best we currently have.", ">\n\nMrBeast has always been a rich dude doing whatever he wants, which is fine when he's wasting his own money on buying 100 leafblowers and trying to fly, or having a contest to see who can touch a car the longest, but it's not fine when he treats people the same as other objects. We help people for the sake of helping people, not to look good on video.\nThat's more than enough for personal criticism. \"Hey listen, we understand you're playing the influencer game, but there are still lines too far.\"\nTelling someone that some of their actions are wrong isn't condemning the whole person. I challenge anyone to find something wrong with Mr Beasts participation in #teamtrees\nWhere the critique of capitalism and our economic/political policies come into play is that they do in fact enable and encourage this kind of behavior." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world.", ">\n\nYou're right how many 1000s of people say I'm not going to vote becouse it doesn't help", ">\n\nIt's not about free stuff and whatever systems you think aren't capitalism in the world are very likely still capitalism or at the least subject to the rest of the world being capitalist. The only way to change a democratic system is awareness which requires systemic critique and public education.\nThe main issue with capitalism is in the root of how it functions. Supply and demand. But really it's supply meeting monetary demand. This makes abundance of things like perishables not possible as we don't intentionally exceed demand with cheap abundant supply, we meet it. \nSupply is tied to production levels and consumption is tied to demand. If consumption doesn't increase with production we have job losses. As production ability increases the owners of means of production are the rich. It's impossible for everyone to be an owner so no matter how smart we all get it's not possible for everyone to live comfortably no matter how much you work. \nAutomation is considered negative due to job losses. This is clearly inefficient. The solution is to build automated cities with egalitarian distribution of resources and minimal required human labor for upkeep. If human labor is minimized to even 20% of current (not impossible, I think 10% is possible with this number also decreasing over time and can be determined based on how automated we decide to build initially) people would only have to work 8 hours a week (only 4 hours at 10%) to have what we have now. Rest of the time free to do other things for community or just enjoy life. You can't convince me this wouldn't be better. You can't convince me we aren't capable of building it. You can't convince me we couldn't do better even if what we have now is the best we currently have.", ">\n\nMrBeast has always been a rich dude doing whatever he wants, which is fine when he's wasting his own money on buying 100 leafblowers and trying to fly, or having a contest to see who can touch a car the longest, but it's not fine when he treats people the same as other objects. We help people for the sake of helping people, not to look good on video.\nThat's more than enough for personal criticism. \"Hey listen, we understand you're playing the influencer game, but there are still lines too far.\"\nTelling someone that some of their actions are wrong isn't condemning the whole person. I challenge anyone to find something wrong with Mr Beasts participation in #teamtrees\nWhere the critique of capitalism and our economic/political policies come into play is that they do in fact enable and encourage this kind of behavior.", ">\n\nIf you blame society for your situation, then society has to change. Problem is, that’s unlikely to just happen overnight. If you blame you for your situation, then you have to turn your focus to what you can control and change yourself. I find the latter easier to do and more freeing than anything. Taking ownership of myself was the best thing I ever did. \nSure, I have my gripes about the system, but working on what I can impact has been way more productive than bitching about it." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world.", ">\n\nYou're right how many 1000s of people say I'm not going to vote becouse it doesn't help", ">\n\nIt's not about free stuff and whatever systems you think aren't capitalism in the world are very likely still capitalism or at the least subject to the rest of the world being capitalist. The only way to change a democratic system is awareness which requires systemic critique and public education.\nThe main issue with capitalism is in the root of how it functions. Supply and demand. But really it's supply meeting monetary demand. This makes abundance of things like perishables not possible as we don't intentionally exceed demand with cheap abundant supply, we meet it. \nSupply is tied to production levels and consumption is tied to demand. If consumption doesn't increase with production we have job losses. As production ability increases the owners of means of production are the rich. It's impossible for everyone to be an owner so no matter how smart we all get it's not possible for everyone to live comfortably no matter how much you work. \nAutomation is considered negative due to job losses. This is clearly inefficient. The solution is to build automated cities with egalitarian distribution of resources and minimal required human labor for upkeep. If human labor is minimized to even 20% of current (not impossible, I think 10% is possible with this number also decreasing over time and can be determined based on how automated we decide to build initially) people would only have to work 8 hours a week (only 4 hours at 10%) to have what we have now. Rest of the time free to do other things for community or just enjoy life. You can't convince me this wouldn't be better. You can't convince me we aren't capable of building it. You can't convince me we couldn't do better even if what we have now is the best we currently have.", ">\n\nMrBeast has always been a rich dude doing whatever he wants, which is fine when he's wasting his own money on buying 100 leafblowers and trying to fly, or having a contest to see who can touch a car the longest, but it's not fine when he treats people the same as other objects. We help people for the sake of helping people, not to look good on video.\nThat's more than enough for personal criticism. \"Hey listen, we understand you're playing the influencer game, but there are still lines too far.\"\nTelling someone that some of their actions are wrong isn't condemning the whole person. I challenge anyone to find something wrong with Mr Beasts participation in #teamtrees\nWhere the critique of capitalism and our economic/political policies come into play is that they do in fact enable and encourage this kind of behavior.", ">\n\nIf you blame society for your situation, then society has to change. Problem is, that’s unlikely to just happen overnight. If you blame you for your situation, then you have to turn your focus to what you can control and change yourself. I find the latter easier to do and more freeing than anything. Taking ownership of myself was the best thing I ever did. \nSure, I have my gripes about the system, but working on what I can impact has been way more productive than bitching about it.", ">\n\nlogic is brutal on this one." ]

[ "OP, what can people do about it?\nVote? They are one voice in an ocean of 300 million. Their voice accounts for .00000000333% of America.\nHelp the homeless? Most people are trying not to be homeless themselves and at most can only spare a few dollars. Something that will at most buy one meal at McDonalds.\nThe people who can actually do something are the politicians in office, and the way you tell them if something needs fixing is to complain.", ">\n\nMost change happens at the community level. Your vote absolutely matters.", ">\n\nBe the change you wish to see", ">\n\nI mean… it is the system. The government gives tax cuts to big corporations and billionaires when they’re the ones that can afford to pay more taxes. Then our social programs that people rely on start to need more funding cause more people are using them due to increased taxes they tax the people. Then some social programs are whack and you literally cannot afford to be working while on them cause they’ll cut your benefits but you’re not gonna feed a family on 15$ an hour. It’s by design. To say it isn’t the system at all is just ignorant and privileged.\nThat said… I’ve literally never seen someone complain about mr beast. 🤷‍♂️ have no clue what that’s about.", ">\n\nDon’t you realize where you at.Thats all reddit/social media is good for nowadays. People just bitching about their opinion but doing nothing to better themselves/the world.", ">\n\nYou're right how many 1000s of people say I'm not going to vote becouse it doesn't help", ">\n\nIt's not about free stuff and whatever systems you think aren't capitalism in the world are very likely still capitalism or at the least subject to the rest of the world being capitalist. The only way to change a democratic system is awareness which requires systemic critique and public education.\nThe main issue with capitalism is in the root of how it functions. Supply and demand. But really it's supply meeting monetary demand. This makes abundance of things like perishables not possible as we don't intentionally exceed demand with cheap abundant supply, we meet it. \nSupply is tied to production levels and consumption is tied to demand. If consumption doesn't increase with production we have job losses. As production ability increases the owners of means of production are the rich. It's impossible for everyone to be an owner so no matter how smart we all get it's not possible for everyone to live comfortably no matter how much you work. \nAutomation is considered negative due to job losses. This is clearly inefficient. The solution is to build automated cities with egalitarian distribution of resources and minimal required human labor for upkeep. If human labor is minimized to even 20% of current (not impossible, I think 10% is possible with this number also decreasing over time and can be determined based on how automated we decide to build initially) people would only have to work 8 hours a week (only 4 hours at 10%) to have what we have now. Rest of the time free to do other things for community or just enjoy life. You can't convince me this wouldn't be better. You can't convince me we aren't capable of building it. You can't convince me we couldn't do better even if what we have now is the best we currently have.", ">\n\nMrBeast has always been a rich dude doing whatever he wants, which is fine when he's wasting his own money on buying 100 leafblowers and trying to fly, or having a contest to see who can touch a car the longest, but it's not fine when he treats people the same as other objects. We help people for the sake of helping people, not to look good on video.\nThat's more than enough for personal criticism. \"Hey listen, we understand you're playing the influencer game, but there are still lines too far.\"\nTelling someone that some of their actions are wrong isn't condemning the whole person. I challenge anyone to find something wrong with Mr Beasts participation in #teamtrees\nWhere the critique of capitalism and our economic/political policies come into play is that they do in fact enable and encourage this kind of behavior.", ">\n\nIf you blame society for your situation, then society has to change. Problem is, that’s unlikely to just happen overnight. If you blame you for your situation, then you have to turn your focus to what you can control and change yourself. I find the latter easier to do and more freeing than anything. Taking ownership of myself was the best thing I ever did. \nSure, I have my gripes about the system, but working on what I can impact has been way more productive than bitching about it.", ">\n\nlogic is brutal on this one.", ">\n\n\"Yet you participate in society\"" ]

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[ "this should be something discovered in theatre, not a PR press release. just my opinion." ]

[ "this should be something discovered in theatre, not a PR press release. just my opinion.", ">\n\nI’m sure it’s already in theatre if the press is releasing it now. They are just leaking it out to scare the Russians a bit before they start killing them." ]

[ "this should be something discovered in theatre, not a PR press release. just my opinion.", ">\n\nI’m sure it’s already in theatre if the press is releasing it now. They are just leaking it out to scare the Russians a bit before they start killing them.", ">\n\nNot necessarily. Remember how the Patriot system was announced but then the US said that troops would be starting training only after the announcement was made? \nCould be the same thing here, especially with the GLSDB being a new system that needs to be purchased and built, rather than things like Bradleys and Marders that can be pulled from storage." ]

[ "this should be something discovered in theatre, not a PR press release. just my opinion.", ">\n\nI’m sure it’s already in theatre if the press is releasing it now. They are just leaking it out to scare the Russians a bit before they start killing them.", ">\n\nNot necessarily. Remember how the Patriot system was announced but then the US said that troops would be starting training only after the announcement was made? \nCould be the same thing here, especially with the GLSDB being a new system that needs to be purchased and built, rather than things like Bradleys and Marders that can be pulled from storage.", ">\n\nI would retort that this theatre includes Poland. Also we don’t know if Patriots were there being operated by contractors in deeper rear areas like Lviv or around other critical infrastructure but not seen by the media. I do remember a journalist getting expelled because they reported seeing something they shouldn’t of seen. We won’t ever know and my assumption as I’ve seen in the past is you put those pieces far away in guarded areas until you are ready to announce them publicly. Major news organizations play ball to get continued access to sources." ]

[ "this should be something discovered in theatre, not a PR press release. just my opinion.", ">\n\nI’m sure it’s already in theatre if the press is releasing it now. They are just leaking it out to scare the Russians a bit before they start killing them.", ">\n\nNot necessarily. Remember how the Patriot system was announced but then the US said that troops would be starting training only after the announcement was made? \nCould be the same thing here, especially with the GLSDB being a new system that needs to be purchased and built, rather than things like Bradleys and Marders that can be pulled from storage.", ">\n\nI would retort that this theatre includes Poland. Also we don’t know if Patriots were there being operated by contractors in deeper rear areas like Lviv or around other critical infrastructure but not seen by the media. I do remember a journalist getting expelled because they reported seeing something they shouldn’t of seen. We won’t ever know and my assumption as I’ve seen in the past is you put those pieces far away in guarded areas until you are ready to announce them publicly. Major news organizations play ball to get continued access to sources.", ">\n\nThe \"long range missiles\" are the GLSDB that are being provided. They are \"Long range\" because they have twice the range of HIMARS." ]

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[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?" ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie.", ">\n\nSure but we are phased out of these systems over a longer period of time and eventually we might reach something akin to WALL-E. We already have AI that can create human-like voices, art and conversations." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie.", ">\n\nSure but we are phased out of these systems over a longer period of time and eventually we might reach something akin to WALL-E. We already have AI that can create human-like voices, art and conversations.", ">\n\nSo your view is that \"fully automated luxury communism\" is the way forward. Look, I'm not against this, but it is HIGHLY hypothetical. We don't live in a world anywhere near what you're describing, so we have no way of knowing what the pitfalls would be. In WALL-E, for example, so much labor was extracted away that people were locked into their chairs because of their health. I think maybe not having full use of your limbs is a bigger impediment than reliance." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie.", ">\n\nSure but we are phased out of these systems over a longer period of time and eventually we might reach something akin to WALL-E. We already have AI that can create human-like voices, art and conversations.", ">\n\nSo your view is that \"fully automated luxury communism\" is the way forward. Look, I'm not against this, but it is HIGHLY hypothetical. We don't live in a world anywhere near what you're describing, so we have no way of knowing what the pitfalls would be. In WALL-E, for example, so much labor was extracted away that people were locked into their chairs because of their health. I think maybe not having full use of your limbs is a bigger impediment than reliance.", ">\n\nYou're talking about a post-scarcity economy. It's the utopian ideal that some point in the future, people will be able to have whatever they desire as the costs of producing anything will be so small that they won't matter. \nIan Banks' Culture books and Star Trek are examples. \nThe fundamental issues with us not hitting a post scarcity economy are that we don't have infinite resources, and that greed still appears to be infinite. A billionaire has no actual need to be a billionaire, but we still have hundreds of them who are degrading the living conditions of hundreds of millions (if not actual billions) of other people, simply so they can have more fun with their toys and projects." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie.", ">\n\nSure but we are phased out of these systems over a longer period of time and eventually we might reach something akin to WALL-E. We already have AI that can create human-like voices, art and conversations.", ">\n\nSo your view is that \"fully automated luxury communism\" is the way forward. Look, I'm not against this, but it is HIGHLY hypothetical. We don't live in a world anywhere near what you're describing, so we have no way of knowing what the pitfalls would be. In WALL-E, for example, so much labor was extracted away that people were locked into their chairs because of their health. I think maybe not having full use of your limbs is a bigger impediment than reliance.", ">\n\nYou're talking about a post-scarcity economy. It's the utopian ideal that some point in the future, people will be able to have whatever they desire as the costs of producing anything will be so small that they won't matter. \nIan Banks' Culture books and Star Trek are examples. \nThe fundamental issues with us not hitting a post scarcity economy are that we don't have infinite resources, and that greed still appears to be infinite. A billionaire has no actual need to be a billionaire, but we still have hundreds of them who are degrading the living conditions of hundreds of millions (if not actual billions) of other people, simply so they can have more fun with their toys and projects.", ">\n\nWe don't have infinite resources in the physical world but digital content like movies, games, music, etc... is practically infinite but at this point severely limited due to human reliance in producing that content for us." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie.", ">\n\nSure but we are phased out of these systems over a longer period of time and eventually we might reach something akin to WALL-E. We already have AI that can create human-like voices, art and conversations.", ">\n\nSo your view is that \"fully automated luxury communism\" is the way forward. Look, I'm not against this, but it is HIGHLY hypothetical. We don't live in a world anywhere near what you're describing, so we have no way of knowing what the pitfalls would be. In WALL-E, for example, so much labor was extracted away that people were locked into their chairs because of their health. I think maybe not having full use of your limbs is a bigger impediment than reliance.", ">\n\nYou're talking about a post-scarcity economy. It's the utopian ideal that some point in the future, people will be able to have whatever they desire as the costs of producing anything will be so small that they won't matter. \nIan Banks' Culture books and Star Trek are examples. \nThe fundamental issues with us not hitting a post scarcity economy are that we don't have infinite resources, and that greed still appears to be infinite. A billionaire has no actual need to be a billionaire, but we still have hundreds of them who are degrading the living conditions of hundreds of millions (if not actual billions) of other people, simply so they can have more fun with their toys and projects.", ">\n\nWe don't have infinite resources in the physical world but digital content like movies, games, music, etc... is practically infinite but at this point severely limited due to human reliance in producing that content for us.", ">\n\nTime is also a limited resource. \nSo is the equipment necessary to run the AI needed to produce that content." ]

[ "If I understand you correctly, you are using the term 'human reliance' to mean our dependence on other people to do things for us. I can see that this can be a constraint, but it seems hard to consider it the largest barrier. \nFor a start, billions of people live under various forms of political and social repression. Being disappeared for criticising the Great Leader, executed for being gay or jailed because you couldn't afford to bribe a police officer are all bigger impediments to personal freedom than needing to hire a voice actor for your indie video game project.\nIt also strikes me that accepting some dependence can, counter-intuitively, make make a person freer. A subsistence farmer is probably pretty independent, by your standard. He grows his own food from seeds he produced, sources his own water and probably maintains his own dwelling and tools to a large degree. Entire weeks may pass without him needing to call on anyone else to support his lifestyle. Compare that to an office worker who spends her time providing highly specialised labour and depends entirely on others to give her the means to meet her daily needs. \nYet the farmer has almost no options in life. He depends entirely on planting specific crops on particular patch of land at the times the climate dictates. He has few options to improve his standard of living, doesn't get to travel and has few resources with which to pursue personal fulfillment. The office worker, by contrast, has far more flexibility and much greater resources at her disposal. These give her a real choice about were to live, how to make a living and what to do with her free time. Do you really think the farmer is freer, despite having far fewer options?", ">\n\nI see where you are coming from but this is incorrect. The farmer you speak of do not represent my idea because my claim is that AI will do everything for us, the farmer wouldn't maintain his own plants, etc... in fact he wouldn't even be a farmer, robots would do that kind of work and AI would oversee it. \nIn the creative fields the AI would be producing the content for us to enjoy, you only tell it what you want to experience.", ">\n\nThe difference in standards of life and well-being between the farmer and the office worker will almost certainly be greater than between the office worker and someone in the same financial situation who doesn't need a job. And I'd continue to suggest that an office worker in a functioning liberal democracy is better of and more free than someone who's basic need are met by a corrupt, totalitarian government.", ">\n\nThe difference between a person that has to stress about work for 40 hours a week their entire life and a person that can live with the same living standards without having to work at all is equally great as the difference between being a farmer or an office worker in a capitalist system.", ">\n\nYou honestly believe that having to spend a quarter of your time during the middle two thirds of your life performing boring, occasionally stressful, but not especially demanding tasks is so awful that it's remotely comparable being a subsistence farmer? To spending every day performing hard labour, knowing that if the weather is bad, you and your family will die unless you get lucky and have a chance to sell one of your children?", ">\n\n\nThe conclusion to all of this is that the more automation you have the greater our individual freedom is to express ourselves and experience new things in life and it ought to expand into most if not every part of society when the time is right so we can produce anything we desire ourselves be it videogames, movies, music, conversations, voices, applications and so forth.\n\nExcept the more that automation pushes people out of jobs, the harder it is to have the money and resources to \"produce anything we desire\". Tough to be an artist with expensive materials to buy when you can't even afford groceries.", ">\n\nYes but this is not an issue of AI and automation but with the underlying economical system that is capitalism. What I'm suggesting is only highlighting this unsustainable foundation which clearly must make way for a more efficient economical system that benefit and provide for the collective rather than the wealthy few.", ">\n\nSo it's a purely hypothetical that ignores the way the world currently functions?", ">\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom, that's all. You are arguing against our current economical model, not my claim.", ">\n\n\nMy claim was that having to rely on other people is one of the greatest limits to our individual freedom\n\nI disagree.\nIf I didn't have other people to rely on, my life would be an endless endeavor to grow and hunt food, find shelter, fashion protective clothing, perform healthcare tasks, and generally stay alive. \nRelying on others is what allows me the freedom to pursue things I desire. Precisely the opposite of your claim.", ">\n\nYes but you are neglecting the basis for my argument which is AI and automation. My claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?", ">\n\n\nMy claim is that you replace those people with machines and AI to produce for us be it food, shelter or entertainment, right?\n\nAnd then we lose our jobs and can't afford to pursue pleasurable nonessential hobbies, which is going back to \"isn't this just a huge hypothetical\"? And the answer is back to being \"yes, this is a huge hypothetical, because that is not the way the world operates\". Your view is not grounded in reality.", ">\n\nthe luddite argument you’re presenting never pans out in reality", ">\n\nI'd assume the capitalist model continues and then we'd just have way more jobless and homeless folks cause the companies would rather pay maintenance on machines rather than pay for salaries", ">\n\nThis is exactly what would happen. OP just can't admit they're wrong and that their idealism and optimism is not based in any reality that we live in.", ">\n\nTo what end?", ">\n\nMinimize suffering and maximize the ability for individuals to express themselves and experience novel things, something like that.", ">\n\nOne could argue that goal, minimize suffering and maximize experience could be achieved without this.\nBut to you, what is suffering and how does AI address? Maybe pick one thing so we’re concise. \nThis will help explain the concept I am referring to.", ">\n\nSuffering is doing something you don't want to.", ">\n\nDoing something you don't want to do isn't suffering, it's just either being lazy or unmotivated. I'd argue suffering is having a certain degree of unnecessary pain or stress enacted upon you either from an individual or a system. Would you consider doing the dishes as suffering when compared to a slave being whipped for not performing a task well enough?", ">\n\nThat's the optimistic version. The more realistic version is that, as automation and AI increases in sophistication, we just see more job loss. \nTheoretically, something like outsourcing jobs overseas could have meant that we paid less for products or didn't have to work as many hours, or both, but neither happened. Because the system doesn't work that way.", ">\n\nThis is not a fault of AI or automation but with our underlying capitalism system. Getting rid of jobs is a desirable outcome because this forces the government to consider other options for a sustainable future that isn't driven by profits for the wealthy at the expense of the human race and our planet.", ">\n\nSo you might say the underlying capitalist system is the real bottleneck", ">\n\nNo because capitalism only exist because we have to rely on people to produce.", ">\n\nSo you're talking about a fully automated system ala Wall-E?", ">\n\nYes we replace humans with AI and machines to produce instead. My focus here was primarily on the creative side like art, music, movies and games but of course this includes everything in society, so yeah like WALL-E.", ">\n\nWell that's a whole other thing, I'm not sure how you don't see that. Using AI to build CGI special effects more efficiently is one thing. A self-sustaining society run completely by AI in which humans have no interaction (to the point that we don't even need engineers to maintenance any working part of it), is a beyond ridiculous scenario that could only be conceivably believable in a children's movie.", ">\n\nSure but we are phased out of these systems over a longer period of time and eventually we might reach something akin to WALL-E. We already have AI that can create human-like voices, art and conversations.", ">\n\nSo your view is that \"fully automated luxury communism\" is the way forward. Look, I'm not against this, but it is HIGHLY hypothetical. We don't live in a world anywhere near what you're describing, so we have no way of knowing what the pitfalls would be. In WALL-E, for example, so much labor was extracted away that people were locked into their chairs because of their health. I think maybe not having full use of your limbs is a bigger impediment than reliance.", ">\n\nYou're talking about a post-scarcity economy. It's the utopian ideal that some point in the future, people will be able to have whatever they desire as the costs of producing anything will be so small that they won't matter. \nIan Banks' Culture books and Star Trek are examples. \nThe fundamental issues with us not hitting a post scarcity economy are that we don't have infinite resources, and that greed still appears to be infinite. A billionaire has no actual need to be a billionaire, but we still have hundreds of them who are degrading the living conditions of hundreds of millions (if not actual billions) of other people, simply so they can have more fun with their toys and projects.", ">\n\nWe don't have infinite resources in the physical world but digital content like movies, games, music, etc... is practically infinite but at this point severely limited due to human reliance in producing that content for us.", ">\n\nTime is also a limited resource. \nSo is the equipment necessary to run the AI needed to produce that content.", ">\n\nI've never heard someone with such unabashed misanthropy try and justify it like that. You say using AI would remove human limitations but the two examples you gave were using AI to replace a human characteristic, which is creativity. It's clear by your comments that you view those characteristics as positive but just want to remove the human aspect. Sounds a whole lot like \"hey look, I can enjoy creativity thru art, music, video games, etc and hear a human voice but I don't want any of the human associated with it\". A human voice is significant because it reflects a lived reality, not some inanimate computer program trying its best to imitate it. Art (incl. video games, music, visual arts, etc) can be understood in many ways, but I've never heard someone naive enough to interpret it without reflecting on its inherent HUMAN nature. You simply do not understand art. Honestly, I don't want people like you making decisions about the world. Therapy might be a good option." ]

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[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be though. If you start looking in to his core group of advisors and backers these are some terrifying people." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be though. If you start looking in to his core group of advisors and backers these are some terrifying people.", ">\n\nIn so much as it shows his limitations." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be though. If you start looking in to his core group of advisors and backers these are some terrifying people.", ">\n\nIn so much as it shows his limitations.", ">\n\nTrue, he has many weaknesses. But they cover for them well." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be though. If you start looking in to his core group of advisors and backers these are some terrifying people.", ">\n\nIn so much as it shows his limitations.", ">\n\nTrue, he has many weaknesses. But they cover for them well.", ">\n\nTrump is desperate to make his opponents look effete to distract from his needing to have his hand held as we walked down a ramp or having to grasp a glass with two small hands or needing the power of the military to help him beat Covid." ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be though. If you start looking in to his core group of advisors and backers these are some terrifying people.", ">\n\nIn so much as it shows his limitations.", ">\n\nTrue, he has many weaknesses. But they cover for them well.", ">\n\nTrump is desperate to make his opponents look effete to distract from his needing to have his hand held as we walked down a ramp or having to grasp a glass with two small hands or needing the power of the military to help him beat Covid.", ">\n\nCovfefe" ]

[ "Sooo, this means trump cried in front of someone when seeking endorsement? Putin?", ">\n\nExactly.", ">\n\nWell, now we know exactly who has something over him.", ">\n\nWe do, but we used to, too.", ">\n\nThanks, Mitch.", ">\n\nDonnie DOES love escalators…", ">\n\nSorry for the convenience", ">\n\nI wonder how man times he called Trump \"sir?\"", ">\n\nThis is how it went word for word.\n“Please sir, endorse me sir. How can I be as smart and as good looking as you sir? Or sir, [starts sobbing] you are so wonderful “", ">\n\nDesantis weakly salutes Dear Leader", ">\n\nThe mandatory real-fake cry claim does have Kim-Jong Il vibes.", ">\n\nRed-on-red crime is my favorite kind of crime.", ">\n\nThis one is great hecause half of their base appeal is as tough guys, so telling the nation that one of them was sobbing like a baby in front of the other is a solid move. Now Deathanus has to decide whether to just accept it and be belittled, or start to fight back and fracture the party. 10/10 can’t wait for season finale.", ">\n\nHalf of these guys wouldn’t know the difference between a hatchet and an axe and wouldn’t be able to load and shoot an AR. \nRepublicans in federal government are almost all what they would consider effeminate suburbanites.", ">\n\nIn reality yes. But we know they don’t live there. To them an obese man who wears makeup and lifted shoes while avoiding war because his feet hurt is the epitome of manly.", ">\n\nI love your username. For some reason, that line cracked up my wife and me and we say it all the time.", ">\n\nIt’s so funny how many people get the reference! Workaholics def had its fans but it was never a mainstream smash so it’s crazy how many people recognize one throwaway line from the show!\nNow get in my grapevan pls", ">\n\nCatherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, oh oh oh", ">\n\nShe has entrapped me, and Sean Connery! OH oh OH. OH oh OHhh^hh^h", ">\n\nWhen two pieces of shit get together, there will be a whole lot of stories coming out", ">\n\nThis embarrassing DeSantis campaign ad will be played repeatedly as a hit piece. That was some insane level of bootlicking lol. For one rare moment, I think Trump is speaking the truth. DeSantis absolutely cried in front of him and maybe even got on his knees for an endorsement", ">\n\nI had to go show this to my grandma. She screams about Trump and DeSantis til her voice cracks. She said she’s never wished on anyone’s demise before them. And McConnell. The rage in her 4’11”, 74 year old body is immense.", ">\n\nSounds like you've got one righteous grandma", ">\n\nShe marched her lil ass out in January in DC to march with us during Trump’s inauguration. It was actually my 18th birthday and afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian for the first time. Her first time trying any African food and she still talks about how much she loves it. She sat with me at a tattoo appointment and afterwards we got pizza and ice cream. I love her. She’s an amazing woman.", ">\n\n\nand afterwards we stopped and had Ethiopian\n\nColumbus Circle? Fantastic places up there", ">\n\nWish I could remember. The place was packed. My grandmother and I sat on the end of the table with the vegetarian platter (since i was vegan) so she mostly ate the veg stuff. It was amazing. There’s a good place up in Tampa (Queen of Sheba) but nowhere near as good as this place was.", ">\n\nHe's probably lying but I wouldn't be surprised if its true. Have you ever seen DeSantis in a debate or outside of his hand-picked media reporters? He's so socially awkward and unstable and has the charisma of a garden slug.", ">\n\nTrue. I have noticed him moving his jaw from side to side in nearly every news conference when someone else is at the podium. Odd.", ">\n\nHe's got some kind of behavioral issue. He was never an appealing candidate, but he's surrounded himself and insulated himself with a core group of very politically savvy extremists that are the ones propelling him forward. He's not the political \"genius\" the media paints him out to be. His handlers are but he's an empty suit being controlled by puppeteers.", ">\n\nThat is actually slightly reassuring for someone not so in the know about him, like myself.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be though. If you start looking in to his core group of advisors and backers these are some terrifying people.", ">\n\nIn so much as it shows his limitations.", ">\n\nTrue, he has many weaknesses. But they cover for them well.", ">\n\nTrump is desperate to make his opponents look effete to distract from his needing to have his hand held as we walked down a ramp or having to grasp a glass with two small hands or needing the power of the military to help him beat Covid.", ">\n\nCovfefe", ">\n\nHamburder flu" ]