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> Agreed.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting." ]
> On the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed." ]
> Agreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again." ]
> Florida is for white people.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her." ]
> TIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people." ]
> That pisses me off so much	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida." ]
> It’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much" ]
> Justification is a helluva drug.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud." ]
> The rule of law is an American thing. Republicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug." ]
> Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else." ]
> They were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents. It wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote). That's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit" ]
> And be a felony for rest of your life	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen." ]
> What these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life" ]
> "BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?" ...and other logical fallacies.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite." ]
> Republican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. They believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies." ]
> 💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition." ]
> Because the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs. Also, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. She was sent to prison.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words" ]
> There was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials. Not that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote. I believe some of these have been thrown out.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison." ]
> Last I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out." ]
> You know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with." ]
> Because they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked." ]
> If the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country." ]
> Or votes to worry about.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody." ]
> I’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about." ]
> Republicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful." ]
> That's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point" ]
> Jail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake." ]
> Funny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum." ]
> And yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it" ]
> Judges are the most corrupt of all	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway." ]
> They don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all" ]
> All the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters." ]
> Must suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?" ]
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?" ]
> There are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…" ]
> Well they’re not Black so why would they be punished	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not." ]
> And have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished" ]
> hey america, your racism is showing again.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!" ]
> This needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again." ]
> Stop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats." ]
> Because courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones." ]
> Though the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation. Giving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law" ]
> So if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future." ]
> But if you’re black…..	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”…." ]
> It is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black….." ]
> Because at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!" ]
> These fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story." ]
> Anyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh." ]
> Tell Dinesh we found the mules.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?" ]
> But the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules." ]
> Can’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?" ]
> Hey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful." ]
> it's called Stand Your Ground: Election	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???" ]
> Duh they are white and republicans	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election" ]
> The judges are all Republican. They don't care if they break the law.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans" ]
> Probably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law." ]
> Wait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so…. How do they explain this ?	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…" ]
> More right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?" ]
> Well, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats." ]
> White republicans are above the law!	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s" ]
> retiring in fl the new neighborhood watch McGruff the Crime Dog we vote for you	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!" ]
> Has there been any announcement on when the police body cam of these villages criminals arrests will be released?	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!", ">\n\nretiring in fl\nthe new neighborhood watch\nMcGruff the Crime Dog\nwe vote for you" ]
> Those are some weird looking ford f150s	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!", ">\n\nretiring in fl\nthe new neighborhood watch\nMcGruff the Crime Dog\nwe vote for you", ">\n\nHas there been any announcement on when the police body cam of these villages criminals arrests will be released?" ]
> Election fraud is an uncommon thing, is usually caught at the local level, and is not limited to one party.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!", ">\n\nretiring in fl\nthe new neighborhood watch\nMcGruff the Crime Dog\nwe vote for you", ">\n\nHas there been any announcement on when the police body cam of these villages criminals arrests will be released?", ">\n\nThose are some weird looking ford f150s" ]
> Yeah it's only 9 to 1 Republican, but it happens on both sides	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!", ">\n\nretiring in fl\nthe new neighborhood watch\nMcGruff the Crime Dog\nwe vote for you", ">\n\nHas there been any announcement on when the police body cam of these villages criminals arrests will be released?", ">\n\nThose are some weird looking ford f150s", ">\n\nElection fraud is an uncommon thing, is usually caught at the local level, and is not limited to one party." ]
> It used to. Trump and team have been pushing the narrative and cause gop folks to commit fraud they otherwise might not.	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!", ">\n\nretiring in fl\nthe new neighborhood watch\nMcGruff the Crime Dog\nwe vote for you", ">\n\nHas there been any announcement on when the police body cam of these villages criminals arrests will be released?", ">\n\nThose are some weird looking ford f150s", ">\n\nElection fraud is an uncommon thing, is usually caught at the local level, and is not limited to one party.", ">\n\nYeah it's only 9 to 1 Republican, but it happens on both sides" ]
>	[ "This is just one of the millions examples where our legal system is fucking disgusting.\n\nBut let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.\nAnd yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.\n\n[in case you skipped the article, all white voters got a year or less probation.]\nThe intent behind committing a crime matters!! Just not the way you thought lol.", ">\n\nThat was a terrible result. A provisional ballot is one that is subject to review to determine its validity. There's no attempt to hide anything with a provisional ballot, and she wasn't trying to claim she was someone she wasn't.", ">\n\nHence, fucking disgusting.", ">\n\nAgreed.", ">\n\nOn the plus side shes out on bond, and the upper court has ordered the lower court to think again.", ">\n\nAgreed that's the plus side, but the negative side is those from The Villages and elsewhere aren't serving her five years for her.", ">\n\nFlorida is for white people.", ">\n\nTIL you can buy your way out of community service punishment, for $10/hr, in Florida.", ">\n\nThat pisses me off so much", ">\n\nIt’s funny to me that the party that screams about voter fraud consistently is the one committing voter fraud.", ">\n\nJustification is a helluva drug.", ">\n\nThe rule of law is an American thing. \nRepublicans, in contrast, believe in the rule of Republicans and nothing else.", ">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:\nThere must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Frank Wilhoit", ">\n\nThey were only intentionally voting in two different states, or casting a vote for their dead parent, or for their dead spouse. Completely accidental and unavoidable incidents.\nIt wasn't like they did something really egregious, like ask their parole officer if it would be legal for them to vote (and get told yes), and then ask the election officials if it would be legal for them to vote (and be told to fill out a provisional ballot and it would get tossed no-harm-no-foul if it turned out they weren't allowed to vote).\nThat's the kind of hardcore lawbreaking that'll get you a nickel in the state pen.", ">\n\nAnd be a felony for rest of your life", ">\n\nWhat these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.", ">\n\n\"BUT WHAT IF THERE'S VOTER FRAUD WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THE FRAUD THAT DOESN'T WORK!?\" ...and other logical fallacies.", ">\n\nRepublican taking points don't even rise to the level of logical fallacies. They're just lies. \nThey believe that only Republicans have the right to rule, so any election that a Democrat wins is illegitimate, by definition.", ">\n\n💯 Thomas Zimmers been doing an excellent job putting all of this into words", ">\n\nBecause the judges tacitly agree with what they did but don’t want to lose their jobs.\nAlso, a few years ago a black woman accidentally voted at the wrong precinct and didn’t get the same offers of probation when she never hid what she did. It was a mistake. \nShe was sent to prison.", ">\n\nThere was at least two publicized cases like this and I believe in both the person was on probation and specifically ASKED BEFORE VOTING to make sure they were allowed to vote and were told they were by state officials.\nNot that dissimilar of the cases of voter fraud in Florida by a special election squad task force DeSantis put together which went after people on probation (or who had not yet completely repaid fines) and declared they illegally voted even though they had been sent voter registration and told they were eligible to vote.\nI believe some of these have been thrown out.", ">\n\nLast I heard they had all been thrown out. It was just another 'Hey media, look at me' move by DeSanctimonious. BTW, that's the only juvenile trump nickname for his opponents I agree with.", ">\n\nYou know how many people unsure if they were safe to vote stayed home because of it, the point was fulfilled it was voter suppression and it worked.", ">\n\nBecause they are white republicans. Two sets of rules in this country.", ">\n\nIf the new GOP gets their way, there won’t be any books to throw at anybody.", ">\n\nOr votes to worry about.", ">\n\nI’m losing respect for the US Law… and that’s the only thing protecting the republicans from an angry public. The courts should start being very careful.", ">\n\nRepublicans + Voter Fraud + Projection = Headlines at some point", ">\n\nThat's because the judges and the American Justice system believes it's all white not to prosecute them for a simple mistake.", ">\n\nJail time and lose your right to vote should be the minimum.", ">\n\nFunny, how a group screaming election fraud turned to be the same ones doing it", ">\n\nAnd yet in Texas a jury convicted Crystal Mason (a young black woman) of illegally attempting to vote (attempting because it was a provisional ballot that was never counted) and gave her a 5 year prison term. She had been told by her probation officer that she could legally vote while on probation. The court recognized she had been given false information, but the jury convicted her anyway.", ">\n\nJudges are the most corrupt of all", ">\n\nThey don't really care about voting fraud, they just want to disenfranchise certain voters.", ">\n\nAll the fraud cases have been of GOP voters… I wonder if the fraud was perpetrated by Democrats, would the sentences be that lenient?", ">\n\nMust suck for the GOP to not only lose an election, but to struggle internally. Not only that but they couldn't even build their stupid wall. They embraced conspiracy theories, worshipped a political figure, and watched as their voters and family die from covid. What exactly have they done positively?", ">\n\nOut of curiosity, does anyone know if these fraudulent voters are blackballed or anything like that from voting again, or on probation from voting? Should have, “Have you seen me?” signs at voting stations…", ">\n\nThere are laws in various states that disallow convicted felons from voting. So, probably not.", ">\n\nWell they’re not Black so why would they be punished", ">\n\nAnd have the gop tell us again how there is not any systemic racism in our country!", ">\n\nhey america, your racism is showing again.", ">\n\nThis needs to be blasted all over fox with the same energy as when they thought it was the democrats.", ">\n\nStop being black in America. You should know better by now. Republicans hate you, especially the black ones.", ">\n\nBecause courts are stacked by Republican puppets to make sure exact this type of stuff happens. Supreme court is now part of the republican party and is helping enact Christian law", ">\n\n\nThough the charges could’ve resulted in prison sentences, both received probation. They were joined by Joan Halstead, who pleaded guilty last summer and also received probation.\n\nGiving them probation is encouraging others to do the same in the future.", ">\n\nSo if it was the other way around the Republicans would actually resort to guns..while they get a “Sorry for you having to take time from your day to answer some questions”….", ">\n\nBut if you’re black…..", ">\n\nIt is clear - in my view, Republicans are the party of treason, hate America and want religious radicalization just like Iran and Afganistán!", ">\n\nBecause at an individual level, it’s such a petty crime. If part of an organized effort… different story.", ">\n\nThese fucking people. Yelling about fraudulent votes and they’re the ones casting them. Smh.", ">\n\nAnyone smart enough to make this go wildly viral?", ">\n\nTell Dinesh we found the mules.", ">\n\nBut the election was stolen from them guys! Remember that?", ">\n\nCan’t rec this enough. It’s disheartening and disgraceful.", ">\n\nHey Americans. You realize the rest of the G20 is just pointing and laughing at you???", ">\n\nit's called Stand Your Ground: Election", ">\n\nDuh they are white and republicans", ">\n\nThe judges are all Republican.\nThey don't care if they break the law.", ">\n\nProbably something to do with judges being paid by republicans…", ">\n\nWait! Racism doesn’t exist in Florida so….\nHow do they explain this ?", ">\n\nMore right-wing conspiracy bs. Imagine what would happen if these hypocritical, cheating knuckle-drafters were Democrats.", ">\n\nWell, it’s not like they were black or anything. /s", ">\n\nWhite republicans are above the law!", ">\n\nretiring in fl\nthe new neighborhood watch\nMcGruff the Crime Dog\nwe vote for you", ">\n\nHas there been any announcement on when the police body cam of these villages criminals arrests will be released?", ">\n\nThose are some weird looking ford f150s", ">\n\nElection fraud is an uncommon thing, is usually caught at the local level, and is not limited to one party.", ">\n\nYeah it's only 9 to 1 Republican, but it happens on both sides", ">\n\nIt used to. Trump and team have been pushing the narrative and cause gop folks to commit fraud they otherwise might not." ]
Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?	[]
> No; "Rape causing pregnancy" would be different from simple rape, just as "DUI causing death" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?" ]
> What about "rape causing an std", "rape causing PTSD", "rape causing trust issues for life" "rape causing the breakdown of a marriage".... I could go on.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor." ]
> I think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called "alienation of affection").	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on." ]
> My point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence. I think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions So, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\")." ]
> If you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?" ]
> So now we have... "rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not"?	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery." ]
> Without trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?" ]
> In which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. How well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa." ]
> I don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime." ]
> In order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma. Pregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant. No. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea." ]
> This is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes." ]
> Simply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?" ]
> I think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself." ]
> I think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation." ]
> Barring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill." ]
> In that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child." ]
> You seem to be implying the father\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either." ]
> He could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child." ]
> Can't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody." ]
> Invert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help." ]
> You could apply that logic to any crime though. Why should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)" ]
> i think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe." ]
> This is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill. The attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger" ]
> Why not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a "lesser" punishment	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control" ]
> Agree with this	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment" ]
> Instead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this" ]
> I would think most rapists wouldn't want rights to the child in the first place? Taking them away would even be beneficial to them	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this", ">\n\nInstead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family." ]
> Yea that is one example and there is many others, but unless I missed where the artlice states otherwise I would still guess that MOST rapists don't want custody	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this", ">\n\nInstead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family.", ">\n\nI would think most rapists wouldn't want rights to the child in the first place? Taking them away would even be beneficial to them" ]
> This seems like it might create an unintentional increase in sodomy.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this", ">\n\nInstead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family.", ">\n\nI would think most rapists wouldn't want rights to the child in the first place? Taking them away would even be beneficial to them", ">\n\nYea that is one example and there is many others, but unless I missed where the artlice states otherwise I would still guess that MOST rapists don't want custody" ]
> One of the biggest problems with this is that conception is rather random. A harsher sentence, either restitution or prison time, would mean that a rapist would randomly get a harsher sentence. Another issue is that a law like this would suggest that rape of a woman who becomes pregnant (and refuses to get an abortion, based on her own reasons) is worse than rape of a man OR of a woman who cannot/did not get pregnant. Additionally, it would suggest that rape of a woman who became pregnant and got an abortion is less harmful to that woman than to a woman who was raped and did not get an abortion. It would also suggest that rapists who had a vasectomy are not as bad as those who have not. None of these suggestions are true and making a law that leans this way would not solve any problems with rape. Finally, making a rapist destitute creates a person dependent on society or, even worse, someone who is so desperate that future crime to get back in prison would be more likely. And there is no evidence that serving a longer sentence makes a person less likely to commit crimes after release.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this", ">\n\nInstead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family.", ">\n\nI would think most rapists wouldn't want rights to the child in the first place? Taking them away would even be beneficial to them", ">\n\nYea that is one example and there is many others, but unless I missed where the artlice states otherwise I would still guess that MOST rapists don't want custody", ">\n\nThis seems like it might create an unintentional increase in sodomy." ]
> One of the biggest problems with this is that conception is rather random. A harsher sentence, either restitution or prison time, would mean that a rapist would randomly get a harsher sentence. That's how the Eggshell Skull doctrine works - you take your victim as you find her. If she was fertile when you raped her, that's your problem. If you don't want to risk that possibility, then don't rape her. Simple as that. It's no different from a robber punching someone in the stomach and causing that person to bleed to death internally due to hemophilia. It doesn't matter that the robber didn't know about his victim's condition; he is responsible for whatever happens.	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this", ">\n\nInstead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family.", ">\n\nI would think most rapists wouldn't want rights to the child in the first place? Taking them away would even be beneficial to them", ">\n\nYea that is one example and there is many others, but unless I missed where the artlice states otherwise I would still guess that MOST rapists don't want custody", ">\n\nThis seems like it might create an unintentional increase in sodomy.", ">\n\nOne of the biggest problems with this is that conception is rather random. A harsher sentence, either restitution or prison time, would mean that a rapist would randomly get a harsher sentence. \nAnother issue is that a law like this would suggest that rape of a woman who becomes pregnant (and refuses to get an abortion, based on her own reasons) is worse than rape of a man OR of a woman who cannot/did not get pregnant. Additionally, it would suggest that rape of a woman who became pregnant and got an abortion is less harmful to that woman than to a woman who was raped and did not get an abortion. It would also suggest that rapists who had a vasectomy are not as bad as those who have not. None of these suggestions are true and making a law that leans this way would not solve any problems with rape. \nFinally, making a rapist destitute creates a person dependent on society or, even worse, someone who is so desperate that future crime to get back in prison would be more likely. And there is no evidence that serving a longer sentence makes a person less likely to commit crimes after release." ]
> Yeah, no. I'm not talking about the rapist, but the victim. A victim that is a man is worth less than a woman victim who got pregnant?	[ "Wouldn't this involve trying them twice for the same crime?", ">\n\nNo; \"Rape causing pregnancy\" would be different from simple rape, just as \"DUI causing death\" is different from simple DUI. The pregnancy would be an aggravating factor.", ">\n\nWhat about \"rape causing an std\", \"rape causing PTSD\", \"rape causing trust issues for life\" \"rape causing the breakdown of a marriage\".... I could go on.", ">\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions. The latter is no longer a cause of action except in a handful of states (this is called \"alienation of affection\").", ">\n\nMy point is is that rape causing a pregnancy is not so much worse than all the other effects it can/does have. It's one of the many possible tragic effects it can have. And considering it's only chance that determines if she gets pregnant I don't see how it should receive any different a sentence.\n\nI think the first two can be considered aggravating factors because they are clearly diagnosable conditions\n\nSo, should these rapusts get a separate law/sentence for their crime?", ">\n\nIf you mean an enhanced sentence, then yes. We enhance sentences for aggravating factors all the time. It's like how the use of a weapon in a robbery increases the sentence - armed robbery is considered an aggravated form of robbery.", ">\n\nSo now we have... \"rape that results in any diagnosable condition should receive a harsher punishment than those that do not\"?", ">\n\nWithout trying to sound glib: why not? That sounds like an improvement on the current system, frankly. Rape resulting in emotional damages/PTSD, loss of earning for the survivor, pregnancy, destruction of marriage, all of those are things we don’t actually address when we prosecute rape but they’re very real outcomes for a lot of survivors. This OP might be changing my views instead of vice versa.", ">\n\nIn which case, deal with all rapes the same. It seems ridiculous to me for a court to try and put either financial or term length determinations on women's different experiences as a result of rape. \nHow well a woman deals (or not) with the fallout from a rape shouldn't influence the penalty for the crime.", ">\n\nI don’t entirely agree actually. There’s plenty of people (men get raped too) who deal differently with rape. Some have PTSD and years of earning loss/therapy, some don’t. I know we might just end up agreeing to disagree here, but I don’t think this is such a bad idea.", ">\n\nIn order to do this, the woman would have to disclose to the court whether she was impregnated, prove that the rapist was indeed the father and then tell the court how she decided to proceed regarding the pregnancy. Sorry, but none of that stuff is anyone's business unless she wants to make it their business. Otherwise, this is just adding trauma to trauma.\nPregnancy is a well-known side-effect of a penis in a vagina. Rape punishment should already take that into consideration. There is no need to drag a victim's personal, private decisions or even their basic health information (such as they have already gone through menopause) in front of a jury or their alleged assailant.\nNo. You don't make punishment dependent on a bunch of stuff that is completely private. The victim can file a civil suit if she wishes.", ">\n\nThis is all assuming the man was the rapist. How would you proceed if the man was the victim?", ">\n\nSimply apply ex turpi causa non oritur actio (out of immoral action, no cause arises) in that case. If a woman rapes a man and impregnates herself as a result, then she should be barred from any recourse - she brought it upon herself.", ">\n\nI think they were asking if the female rapist deserves a harsher punishment for the rape resulting in their own impregnation.", ">\n\nI think that being barred from any recourse such as child support or state support fits that bill.", ">\n\nBarring them from resources doesn't punish the rapist, it punishes the child.", ">\n\nIn that case, the child is better off as a ward of the state. Of course, the state doesn’t want to be on the hook for that child either.", ">\n\nYou seem to be implying the father\\victim wouldn't have the option to take custody, or any family involved on either the victim or mothers sides. That said, the state wants what would be best for the child, so circumstance plays a part there. Are you saying that the mother\\rapist automatically loses custody? Barring them from public resource only punishes the poor. If the rapist is well off, that doesn't effect either the parent, or the child.", ">\n\nHe could have the means, but I don’t think a minor father is in any position to take custody.", ">\n\nCan't assume though can we,? The parents may be available and willing to help.", ">\n\nInvert the argument and what you're suggesting is that a rape that does NOT result in pregnancy is a lesser crime as shown by the fact that it receives a lesser punishment... hard to see that being well received (esp. in cases where the victim is incapable of bearing a child)", ">\n\nYou could apply that logic to any crime though.\nWhy should a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone get a lesser punishment than someone who intricately plans out a murder? The victim is dead either way. The families and friends will suffer all the same. But we have to make judgements about the severity of a crime based on damage and intention. The damage of a rape can be brutal. The damage of a pregnancy can be life-threatening. I’d say that makes it more severe.", ">\n\ni think the better analogy would be a drunk driver that doesn't hit someone vs the drunk driver that does. In both cases we're essentially talking about the two statistical outcomes of the same crime and imo there's pretty good reasons to punish both the same (even if that isn't the case now) simply because both put others in an equal amount of danger", ">\n\nThis is even more evident in the case of a gun jamming when the instigator pulls the trigger to kill.\nThe attempted murder vs murder charge is based on the result of their actions rather than the action itself. Which of the two charges they get is based on factors outside of their control", ">\n\nWhy not treat all rapes with the idea that it could have resulted in conception? I don't see a need to have a \"lesser\" punishment", ">\n\nAgree with this", ">\n\nInstead of punishing them more if a child is born. I think I'd rather, if they're convicted of rape and a child is born. They automatically have no rights to the child whatsoever along with their family.", ">\n\nI would think most rapists wouldn't want rights to the child in the first place? Taking them away would even be beneficial to them", ">\n\nYea that is one example and there is many others, but unless I missed where the artlice states otherwise I would still guess that MOST rapists don't want custody", ">\n\nThis seems like it might create an unintentional increase in sodomy.", ">\n\nOne of the biggest problems with this is that conception is rather random. A harsher sentence, either restitution or prison time, would mean that a rapist would randomly get a harsher sentence. \nAnother issue is that a law like this would suggest that rape of a woman who becomes pregnant (and refuses to get an abortion, based on her own reasons) is worse than rape of a man OR of a woman who cannot/did not get pregnant. Additionally, it would suggest that rape of a woman who became pregnant and got an abortion is less harmful to that woman than to a woman who was raped and did not get an abortion. It would also suggest that rapists who had a vasectomy are not as bad as those who have not. None of these suggestions are true and making a law that leans this way would not solve any problems with rape. \nFinally, making a rapist destitute creates a person dependent on society or, even worse, someone who is so desperate that future crime to get back in prison would be more likely. And there is no evidence that serving a longer sentence makes a person less likely to commit crimes after release.", ">\n\n\nOne of the biggest problems with this is that conception is rather random. A harsher sentence, either restitution or prison time, would mean that a rapist would randomly get a harsher sentence.\n\nThat's how the Eggshell Skull doctrine works - you take your victim as you find her. If she was fertile when you raped her, that's your problem. If you don't want to risk that possibility, then don't rape her. Simple as that.\nIt's no different from a robber punching someone in the stomach and causing that person to bleed to death internally due to hemophilia. It doesn't matter that the robber didn't know about his victim's condition; he is responsible for whatever happens." ]

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